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Hello everyone, Although this forum should be a place to share ideas and opinions, it is hard to "get a word in edgewise" when we have poster ObamaDrama (also known as TheRightChange, TheMason, Revengeofmoremo etc.) who is so obsessed with having his say that he feels compelled to bombard us with 23 postings in two days and, to keep these posts to the forefront, comments on his on blogs even if he is the only one commenting on them. Many of his submissions (or, more accurately, his copies of other people's ideas, attributed or not) cry out for rebuttal or pointing out the obvious distortion of so-called "facts". However, as rozemist and others wisely suggested, I will try not to respond directly to his avalanche of misinformation because it only gives him the attention he craves and rewards his baiting tactics. I expect his postings will remain until Monday, when they will most likely be deleted. We shall see. I do think that when his postings are deleted the Bulletin Moderator should do him the courtesy of explaining exactly the reason for the deletion. That way, whether or not he agrees with the Bulletin's decision, at least it would be clear to him.

I want to emphasize that this is not about stifling or obliterating conservative voices. It is about presenting different ideas in a rational manner without distortion or hate-filled rants. People who disagree are not "the enemy" and we should not be grouped into stereotypical positions of "liberal" or "conservative". Just as conservative positions vary, not all liberals think exactly the same. The poster completely loses me when he starts ranting about "you liberals want..." as if he has some special insight into the hearts and minds of every single person with liberal leanings. Let's stop the generalizations and stereotyping on both sides. At least modify statements with, "some liberals (or conservatives) appear to think that..." Instead, we get "straw man" arguments where ObamaDrama and his many aliases set up false arguments under his conditions, so that they will be easy to "knock down". Such tactics add nothing to a rational discussion, but only distract and detract. I know that there are reasonable conservative voices out there. I've heard them in the past and although I might not share their outlook, I can respect their opinions. What I can't respect is hate-mongering, distortions, or partial truths presented as the whole picture. And deliberate overkill with postings is a type of manipulation and bullying. Again, let's emphasize the QUALITY of postings over QUANTITY of them. Sincerely, Karen


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revengeofmomo commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 13:28 PM

I know. I fed that troll for too long last night. I wonder if TRC also hangs out on Star Wars blogs and posts things about Chewbacca's sexuality, just to get a rise out of the people there.

anthony002 commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 13:30 PM

Karen, you have summarized my gripe with this person quite well.

When one makes a claim about what another person believes, all you have to do is provide a reference to that person actually stating such a belief.

I think it no accident that this person, NEVER does that. Personally, I find it impossible to respect any opinion that relies on "facts" that consist largely of conjecture, hostility, and pure fiction.

TheSovereign commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 13:51 PM

Its a political tactic to frame your opponents position. It is used very effectively by the right as is evidence in their usage of the word Liberal, or Democrat party as opposed as the Democratic Party.

I find it humorous when the radicals want to frame anyone who does not agree with them as liberal. I do not agree with anything the radicals say, and I personally think the liberals aren't looking foreward enough to evolve to 21st century requirements. Clearly, the radical poster from the extreme right does not believe in moving into the 21st century. The moves that the extreme right want is to move us back to the 19th century, where people dreamed about a time that will come where we achieve the goals of equality and expanded freedoms.

rozemist commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 13:53 PM

Hello Karen
Good Blog,its good to deal with this problem directly,and not to interact with the person himself.
He is obsessive in what he does,I think everyone has now learned this.
Well almost everyone,except one follower that he has,he actually does have a person who enjoys his post! One lone follower.
I suspect what he does has little to do with his preference in Politics but is more about his need to try and control and manipulate people to think as he thinks,and it appears to amuse him when people become frustrated with his tactics ,so to sum it up he hopes to make everyone's life as unhappy as his must be.Because carrying around that much animosity must make a person feel so miserable.
He is a attention seeker ,and as we have witnessed will go to great lengths to get it.
The Bulletin I would venture to say has told him why he is banned,but you have to remember who you're dealing with,it doesn't matter if you sit down talk to these people directly,email,phone call,however the way to try and explain it falls on ears that will not hear but one thing and that is their "own voice"
When your "banned" your banned how else can you define banned but that your not allowed to post any longer,go away,your not welcome,how many terms can be used,banned is exiled from forever posting on the forum that banned you.
Having said that there are ways around being banned,such as coming up with all these different names,he is able to "sneak" through,temporarily,but he still gets through.
The Bulletin patrols this forum and does a good job at deleting these people,but still they manage to get through,so therefore the system has to be changed so that once a person is banned they cannot get through by any means unless they are going to use a different computer every time they log on with a newly created name.Someone like this person could very well be capable of doing this,he is desperate,and determined.More so now that he has felt the sting of rejection by the Bulletin which has only made him more determined to create chaos amongst the regular forum members,and also to make trouble for the Bulletin
Remember what you have to do to register,you have to give your name,email address,and when you log in your recognized by your IP address,that is how I believe they know its the banned person.
So every time he does this,he has to create this new identity,every single time.This shows your not dealing with anyone who is rational.
Why would someone want to keep coming back over and over again,only to be deleted.
The system of banning people for the most part works,most people get banned that's it they move on with their lives,they get it,they understand They Got Banned!
Most people!
He is indescribable ,and he does Not Get It!
Sincerely,rozemist

TheSovereign commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 14:24 PM

I know, do you see how the radicals on the right scwerm when ever they are confronted with the truth?

I see it everyday.

rozemist commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 17:33 PM

@Karen
I think your wording "deliberate overkill with postings is a type of manipulation and bullying" sums it up completely.
Karen your this calm and rational voice that always appears at just the right time I want you to know that most of us do listen,and we do understand what your saying.
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 17:51 PM
rozemist commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 18:02 PM

Your right Karen this is not about stifling conservative views.
There is good and bad in both Democrat and Republican Politics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conserva...
I inserted another link on Conservatism so as to show two sides,not one.
When a person"Only" sees one side they see Nothing!
Thank you for your blog Karen
Have a good day!
Sincerely,rozemist

anthony002 commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 18:07 PM

YCDI, I blow a gasket mostly when some makes up out of thin air, a completely bogus synopsis of what liberals believe, present their misinformed opinion as a fact, and then attack their own misconception.

Whenever I criticize someone's opinion, I do my best to always include a direct quote of that person. TRC or whatever his alias is, seldom if ever, does that.

then you turn around and say we on the left do the same thing. hogwash. when I make a claim that Herman Cain is a religious bigot, I provide quotes to his comments about Muslims. When I argue that Sarah Palin is clueless, I provide a very explicit example of her apparent ignorance of the Exxon Valdez case where her own state lost hundreds of millions of dollars, due to the Supreme Court overturning a lower court decision.

The fact is that I have been quite explicit in the reasons why I use the phrase TeaBagger.

1. When the movement first started, that is what they called THEMSELVES.

2. These people make it quite clear that they have no respect for the preferred terminology of my political party. They continually use the phrase "Democrat party", instead of the preferred (and correct) Democratic party. When people make it clear they do not respect me and my beliefs, I have no problem returning the same lack of courtesy.

I am not framing anyone's arguments with my use of the word TeaBagger. I am simply making a statement that the respect those folks get from me will be equal to the respect I get from them. If none is forthcoming, then none will be given.

I agree, the truth does make some people extremely uncomfortable. That is why I make sure that every post I write in this forum contains a healthy dose of verifiable, undisputable truth in the form of direct citation of the words and/or deeds of the person I am criticizing.

As someone whose arguments in this forum have been falsely framed (paid Democratic blogger, thinks capitalism is the root of all problems, etc.), I do not engage in such rhetorical tactics and anyone who claims that I do had better be ready to provide an explicit example, or be called out on their lack of accuracy

revengeofmomo commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 19:10 PM

A bump for the adults.

KarenPearsall commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 19:53 PM

Sorry, everyone, for my sloppy posting. The correct name is "DramaObama", not "ObamaDrama" which is what I originally used.

Hello YouCanDoIt, you said, "They NEVER became this incensed when mhoffman gave his song and dance. Hoff's remarks were rarely met with a fly swatter, while those on the other side of the aisle receive the sledge hammer". Can you please give me an example of ONE poster, other than DramaObama (AKA: TheRightChange and TheMason, among other aliases), who put 23 postings on this site within 2 days and bumped his own submissions to the front, simply to remain prominent? Mhoffman had some over the top postings, but nowhere near the number or tactics of DramaObama. Your comment sounds like your repetitive complaint of supposed "favoritism". Since you advocate being scrupulously equal in treatment of individuals on both sides of the political aisle (and I agree with you there), I am waiting for you to condemn DramaObama and his multiple aliases for trying to subvert his on-line banning, with as much vigor and passion as you did when pointing out that mhoffman created other assumed names to comment or post on this forum. Do you view DramaObama's possible deletions with the unabashed glee that you did mhoffman's? A fair-minded individual, despite his "weapon" of choice, whether it be fly swatter or sledge hammer, would recognize that if one person is ridiculed for attempting to stay on this forum (mhoffman), then another poster who does the same thing is really no better. The fact that this poster also seeks to overwhelm the forum with incredibly numerous submissions makes it worse, in my opinion. Sincerely, Karen

rozemist commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 21:07 PM

@Karen
YCDI will not call TRC/TheMason/HopeAndChange/DramaObama,etc,etc, out on these things,Plagiarism,alias's ,23 postings to hog the blog.. because he follows this person around on the forum from the moment he starts posting these things,till the moment they are "All deleted",then he disappears just like the banned person who has so many names.
You will see YCDI reappear only to ridicule mhoffman for creating a new name,or for ignoring the online banning,
or to follow yet again the new name of this banned individual that he agrees with.
It is because he agrees with this persons "ideas" that are so in tune with his own,is why he cannot find fault for this person doing what he does,but mhoffman on the other hand does "far less" and will receive the wrath of YCDI at every given opportunity.
That pretty much sums it up why you will not hear him step forward and say anything wrong about ,well too many names to try and type....favoritism is what I believe its called,the very thing he accused everyone else of.
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 21:11 PM

@Karen
as for not getting the name right,or wrong,who cares ,next week it probably will be DramaObama,I wouldn't give it a second thought! Trying to keep up with all these names is ridiculous.
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 21:21 PM

See even I did it...:-) too funny!

rozemist commented on Saturday, Jul 30, 2011 at 22:27 PM

@ try thinking
I have never had a problem with bull153
(I will add in honesty that is not the case with YCDI)
I don't know what it is that has you against bull153 ,I'm not privy to this.
I have found him to be able to discuss issues with a two sided view,example: he and anthony002 are on opposite sides of the political fields,yet they are able to discuss things calmly and intelligently.
He as been nothing but respectful to me,and to Karen,and others,so I just do not see what your referring to.
You keep using his name in connection with hypocrisy but I have not seen this.
I would again like to point out that I'm neither a liberal or a conservative (but I have been labeled a liberal)which I do not care,call me a liberal,call me a conservative who cares,I will vote on the person who I best think will serve the country,and I have to say that it is so "refreshing" to see people who are very different in Political views be able to hold a discussion without resorting to all the low down tactics that has been used in this forum.
bull153 as far as I understand is a conservative and he has held is own in discussions without once using unsavory methods.
I welcome him to the blogs,we need more people to participate in this area of the online forum.Its my hope to see well thought out blogs flourish ,and to see the hostility filled postings lessen more and more as time goes by.
Isn't that something you would like to see as well?
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 03:33 AM

I claim that human mind or human society is not divided into watertight compartments called social, political and religious. All act and react upon one another.
Mohandas Gandhi

rozemist commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 13:06 PM

@try thinking
Good Morning
I don't understand why if all this bothers you so much then why do you keep interacting with people who your exasperated with.You insult,they insult,and it just goes on and on.
There's no rule that says you have to comment back to what you perceive as insults,or anything else that you personally feel is offending you.
Last night let's see by DramaObama I was called idiotic and pathetic at 61 years of age,I was told that I shame him ,disappoint him,and that he can't believe I have dissed by Country..
Then a noteworthy agreement from YCDI commented " I can! "
Those were harsh words but I always consider the sources from which insults come.
I have been purposely targeted for harassment by a online person who has problems,I have been told that I should of even "apologized" to the character that was harassing me.
So you see try thinking now I had a choice to get down to the level that my insulter's were on and banter back and fourth till forever,I could have thrown insults back as well,but what good would that of done.I wrote a blog to address the situation,turned the individual in to people who handle this sort of thing,now I "refuse" ever to reply,or comment to these individuals.It serves no purpose! I prefer to reply with members who have something useful and constructive to offer.
So I have got to ask you why do you keep going back and fourth with them,you are clearly frustrated and wouldn't you just feel better to ignore them,and go on with other commenting to other members that you can interact with.
Just asking
Sincerely,rozemist

DIG commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 13:23 PM

wow like a saturday morning cartoon. Coyote chasing after road runner. All we need is the acme rocket.

KarenPearsall commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 14:11 PM

Hello try_thinking, You have every right to your opinion and you expressed your thoughts on the matter by creating your own blog. However, as the creator of THIS blog, it is frustrating for me to see the discussion hijacked by you, YouCanDoIt, and DramaObama where the topic at hand gets more and more obscured by insults exchanged among you and accusations made against each other. Here is my take on the situation: First, you should consider rozemist's good advice. I don't know why mhoffman was banned from this site. His or her posts and comments were often offensive, but no more so than some others who post on this forum. I wrote a blog on the censorship issue that got an interesting debate and exchange of ideas. I contacted the Bulletin directly for an explanation, but was only told limited things in bits and pieces (confidentiality?), some of which mhoffman later denied, so the picture and reasoning is no clearer to me. Here is what I do know: Mhoffman seems to post here under various names and is eventually deleted, even when the contents of such posts are not offensive and are thought-provoking. TheRightChange and all his aliases ARE also deleted from this forum (usually not over the week-ends) because he has violated Bulletin standards (either by cyber bullying or racists posts, he has engaged in both). I would be outraged, try_thinking, if TheRightChange was allowed to post without any corrective measures. As far as bull153, I do agree that some of his comments, especially about pole dancers and strippers, although meant to be humorous or clever, CAN be offensive to women. I don't get the impression that he is deliberately trying to be sexist, but he definitely should think about the implications of some of his words. I have to shake my head in disbelief when reading YouCanDoIt's comment that he (YCDI) takes "pride" in his "civil" remarks to you. Those types of remarks must be few and far between when he peppers his words to you with such phrases as "race baiting pig". There are numerous other examples on other posts, which I will not repeat. However, you have called him a bigot and insulted him in kind. Where has it gotten you both? I'll tell you where it has gotten me - a blog that degenerates into insults and a personal grudge match between two posters (perhaps for their own twisted "battle of wits" pleasure) while the initial subject of "blog hogging", the need for reasoned debate, and the damaging effects of hate-filled rants, gets lost in the crossfire. So out of courtesy for a fellow blogger, would you please consider keeping your insult fest with YouCanDoIt confined to your own blog site in order to free this one up for the discussion originally intended? I would greatly appreciate it. Sincerely, Karen

rozemist commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:07 PM

@Karen
I very much respect how you addressed the problem.
I think by respectfully asking people to "leave insults off your blog,and confine to their own" is an outstanding idea.
I think that a considerate blogger will respect this request.
I wish that other bloggers would follow suit.You set an example that we should all try to follow,myself included in that.
Your blog is basically asking others to not hog the blogs,which is a fair request,but as you can see by reading the numerous postings this is not something that is achievable.
We can ask it,but its not going to be heard.
The only solution is for the MB to come up with a "permanent" way of keeping out banned members.
Again this is not censorship,although I know of two people who will argue this is, the person who writes these things,and the person who agrees with them.
Why should the forum be subjected to this ridiculous propaganda at ad nauseum lengths
There has to be a solution to this ,banning means banned ,so therefore there should be no back doors for these people to get through.
I still believe anthony's idea of a Ignore option is outstanding,and it is something that has been presented to the Bulletin,but I don't know if that would cause the Bulletin to have to spend more money on implementing this or its something that's easy for them to create at no cost.
In the meantime we will have to simply rely on the deletions as they come ,until another way presents itself.
Because as you can see appealing to the person doing this regarding forum etiquette ,sense of fair play,and common sense is simply Ignored.
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 16:07 PM

@Karen

Another suggestion about the blog hogging is to have a "automatic cut off feature" in that a blogger can submit no more then 2 blogs a day (2 a day is very generous,most people can't write that many in one day),and this would apply to all bloggers (of course for the banned people they shouldn't even be online period) So this would be for legitimate forum members.
The cut off feature would know when a blogger had reached his/her limit, and then not allow that person to submit another blog.
Lock out the start a blog button ,grey it out,or remove until its time for that blogger to be allowed to write another blog.
I don't know Karen just brainstorming,maybe we can keep at it and come up with something then submit to the Bulletin and see if they like or not.
I also think the front page preview of blogs should be expanded ,currently it only allows for the previewing of 3 ,I think it should allow for more.I realize the front page is limited in space but looks like there could be room on there for a few more to preview
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 16:11 PM

@Karen
In staying true to citing sources,and giving credit where credit is due, it was your suggestion about the "2" blogs a day,(I did not come up with that number folks, Karen did)
But I totally agree with that number.
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 16:41 PM

@bull153
here is a quote from Karen regarding insults posted on her blog
"So out of courtesy for a fellow blogger, would you please consider keeping your insult fest with YouCanDoIt confined to your own blog site in order to free this one up for the discussion originally intended?"
bull153 Would you ever consider following suit,and ask posters who do nothing but post insulting comments to do it on their "own blogs"
What do you think of Karen's request?
I think its a very good idea ,because while all the insults are flying the subject of the blog is Lost,know one even bothers to discuss it any longer.How many comments on Karen's blog actually refers to the blog subject?
Not Many!
Heated debates while exchanging different views is normal,and to be expected,but the level of insults in this forum has sunken to all time lows.
As bloggers we have the right to make such a request.And I'm curious as to how many would do this.
Of course would the commenter comply, I don't know.There is the delete button that could be used only as a "last option".That would be up to the person who wrote the blog.
I just get this visual of people who pop in and out of our online forum and get a good look at whats going on and I can't help but wonder what they think,its certainly enough to scare away most anyone who is new and is contemplating wanting to blog.
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 17:04 PM

@bull153
I understand that you were,I was just running across this scenario to see how well it would go over with other bloggers.Karen's blogs and her comments can very often lead to all sorts of ideas I have found this to be true almost every time I read one of them.
That is the gift of a true blogger I think is to inspire people to think,and to ask questions.
Sincerely,rozemist

JimBeam commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 18:04 PM

It's funny how trythinking says to look at this person, look at that person, but fails to look at himself in the mirror.

rozemist commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 20:12 PM

@try thinking
I did see the statement,and no I do not
support it.
Never said that I did.
I will pose the same question to you that I posed to bull153 so as to be fair and balanced.

try thinking Would you ever consider following suit,and ask posters who do nothing but post insulting comments to do it on their "own blogs"
What do you think of Karen's request?
I think its a very good idea ,because while all the insults are flying the subject of the blog is Lost,know one even bothers to discuss it any longer.How many comments on Karen's blog actually refers to the blog subject?
Not Many!
Heated debates while exchanging different views is normal,and to be expected,but the level of insults in this forum has sunken to all time lows.
As bloggers we have the right to make such a request.And I'm curious as to how many would do this.
Of course would the commenter comply, I don't know.There is the delete button that could be used only as a "last option".That would be up to the person who wrote the blog.
I just get this visual of people who pop in and out of our online forum and get a good look at whats going on and I can't help but wonder what they think,its certainly enough to scare away most anyone who is new and is contemplating wanting to blog.
So try thinking I do not want to get into another discussion of who I support,or do not,I don't think anything I say will be the right answer.You do not read my comments as well as I thought you might of if you would think I support any comments that are nothing but insults.
I'm going to respect Karen's wishes and try to stay on the course of the subject of the blog.
On your blogs I would discuss your subject matter and will comment respectfully.
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 20:24 PM

@JimBeam
Maybe it would serve you as well to read Karen's request
Sincerely,rozemist

JimBeam commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 20:36 PM

Shut up with the crying already try thinking/hoff. Nobody cares about you, nobody will. Especially with your track record. Quit tattle taling and if the Manteca Bulletin thinks other comments should be removed, then they will.

KarenPearsall commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 21:47 PM

Hello try_thinking, I agree with your last "condition" that the Bulletin should provide ANYONE (including TheRightChange and you) who is deleted or banned from the on-line forum with an explanation as to why this action was taken. Suspensions, deletions, and bans should be the last resort. However, neither you nor I run this site, so we don't get to set the rules of operation, no matter how fair or reasonable we might think our own rules or conditions may be. Do you not see how it is rather arrogant of you to set "requirements" for this forum? Of course, you can voice an opinion, but not all must agree or comply with it. Take me, for example. I've asked for civility and a focus on the topic at hand on this blog, but the tangents and insults continue. I guess the Rolling Stones knew what they were talking about when they sang "You can't always get what you want.."
I have already commented that I did not think the stripper or pole dancer remarks were in the best taste. But I am not going to go running to ReportAbuse every time that some person's postings offend me, or I would be wasting all my time complaining about childish words that I could just as easily ignore. Part of our freedoms include both the freedom to offend and the freedom to be offended. Some comments by bull153 (not to me, personally) bother me, as do some postings by mhoffman, YouCanDoIt and yourself. I tire of all the ceaseless name-calling. Instead of calling someone a bigot, it is sufficient to point out the offending words, not add your own variation of insulting language. I will not report all the posts that bother me, only the ones that are clearly hate speech or actions that are an obvious harassment of a fellow blogger (like TheRightChange's disturbing fixation and attempts to disconcert rozemist with personal info that he got by trolling other internet sites). But in these cases, other posters reported the misconduct before I could.
Try_thinking, you have interesting insights to share, but get bogged down in insult exchanges, personal grudges and vendettas which all detract from the merit of your ideas. I am interested in what you think about solutions to overloading this site with submissions from the same poster. Do you have any suggestions on this subject? Sincerely, Karen

KarenPearsall commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 23:23 PM

Hello rozemist, Thank you for your kind words. I wish that the Bulletin owner/publisher would implement a 2 blogs per day by the same person limit, since a voluntary adherence to this suggestion goes unheeded, and that this new policy would be stringently enforced by the on-line moderator. This would serve two purposes: It would limit the ability of anyone, for whatever reason, (political or otherwise) to overwhelm this site and would also automatically discourage those strange advertising spam posts that seem like a random stringing together of words. I would think that this would also eventually make things easier for the moderator, with less posts by the same person and less complaints about monopolizing the forum. Think of the 2 blog maximum like a 2 drink limit. It would probably benefit everyone, in general. Take care. Sincerely, Karen

KarenPearsall commented on Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 23:38 PM

Hello try_thinking, I don't really agree that there is a lack of any policing of this forum. The problem, as I see it, lies in clarity and consistency (or more accurately, lack thereof). If a post was deleted and the following notation appeared, "deleted due to racist comment" or "deleted due to harassment of other contributors" or "deleted due to derogatory personal remarks", then it would be clear to the offender and everyone else on this site what the Bulletin would and would not tolerate. Relying on reader complaints is an imperfect system, at best, with some posters being "called to the carpet" while others escape with the same offenses. The trouble is, to truly monitor this site effectively would require a big commitment of both time and effort. Maybe the publisher does not see that as practical or cost effective, who knows? I do believe that the Bulletin moderator DOES try to keep on top of the situation. Is there room for improvement? Yes, of course. Sincerely, Karen

rozemist commented on Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 00:02 AM

@bull153
So if MB is not using the IP address block then is possible they are just recognizing the IP when they monitor ,and then do the manual deletions?
I just thought permanently blocking the IP was the solution unless you used other computers to log in, I never took into consideration it could also block legitimate users as well.
Here is a interesting link of a tool that can be used
http://blamcast.net/articles/block-bo...
And another link http://www.besthostratings.com/articl...
I remember the report_abuse saying in the past that in all the Bulletins years they'd only had one banned member,and now they have another,so maybe they were just so caught off guard by the sheer determination of the banned individuals to get back online they were simply not prepared for this type of thing because they'd never had this problem before.
I know by exchanging messages with report_abuse that this is not something that they do full time,the moderator has other duties he/she must perform,I do not get the impression that monitoring is a a lone job,but something that is done along with many other things ,which must make it very hard for the moderator .
I know there is a solution out there,I might add that the Bulletin is very nice about receiving suggestions about their site.They seem to not mind if people would like to offer up a idea,they do not have to use it,but they do listen.
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 00:17 AM

I think the Bulletin is doing fairly well if you take into consideration that we do not have a full time room monitor who is able to push the delete button within a seconds notice.Having a full time monitor (room monitor) which alot of forums have on the spot is a real advantage,they are there present with the members,and can nip things in the bud on the spot.
If you remember they use to put in place of a deleted comment that it had violated terms,etc. Were they having to do this manually? If so that was very time consuming,it all depends on what type of system they have in place that they're using.But considering all in all they seem to be quick to delete ,and the weekends well everyone has to have time off from work,we can I think all agree.But if they had a automatic system in place or something else then whether someones there or not the system would know what to do.
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 01:16 AM

I'm not making excuses for the Editor,I very much doubt Mr Wyatt monitors the forum.This is probably a job that is performed by someone else.
try thinking you seem to have the solutions to this problem,because no suggestions we offer help you.Your acting as tho we here in the forum have some control over the problems your having.I suggest you take it up with the Bulletin about who you want banned ,why you want them banned,why your post are deleted,why some peoples comments remain,and some go.I do not,nor do any of us have those answers for you nor the power do what ever it is that you are expecting us to do,which still eludes me.
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 01:59 AM

Since your coming up with ideas of a new site that will deal with blogs,comments,etc, some things that you should be thinking on is how will You and others with you handle these problems as they arise? How will YOU decide what is to be deleted and what not.
Will YOU be the person who will possibly at one point have to ban a individual? And how will You implement this ban as we full well know bans are only good up to a point.
Will you have someone monitoring the blogs "full time" or let the blogging do for itself,there are many things to consider , its not all as easy I would imagine as just us here in the forum might think it is.
To have a full time monitor means a special position ,that would mean more money.Economy like it is how is that going to be handled?
These are things try thinking you should be giving a lot of your attention to ,you say you don't like the way the Bulletin handles almost anything,so how are you going to see to it that you can do better?
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 02:39 AM

try thinking thanks for the info,I will do some reading on it tomorrow.
Answer your question I have answered it in more ways then I know,and I've run out of answers.
I don't need to Demand anything from the Bulletin,If this Newspaper was something that frustrated me like it does you I would just move onto something that was "better" its just that simple.
You see things behind every corner that you want changed,and you want it now.
I don't.And when I do want any change I do it realistically ,I do not demand.
Goodnite try thinking
Sincerely,rozemist

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 03:17 AM

YCDI is a rotten person because he's a troll. Trolls aren't good people, how could they be?

DLangdon commented on Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 11:59 AM

The name calling has gotten bad here.

I suggest that you all take a deep breath and remember that no one ever won a debate with name calling.

As to TRC in his many forms. What he says is unimportant and we do not hear his words.

(paraphrased from the original Star Trek series)

JimBeam commented on Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:58 PM

LOL I caught that too bull where he said you and YCDI never post at the same time, then you post in synch. What a clown.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 19:30 PM

YCDI you ask for civility but don't admit that you may have said things which were wrong. You say let's just forget about it, it's water under the bridge, without going through the process of actually apologizing. It's like saying bull153 it's all water under the bridge even though I haven't apologized for calling you a dirty pig. That's just not how it works.

KarenPearsall commented on Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 19:32 PM

Hello YouCanDoIt, I agree with you that contributors are rarely banned from this on-line forum. Since this occurrence is so serious a matter, I do believe that the reason for the suspension should be public knowledge in order to be clear what type of behavior or comments are permissible and what actions are forbidden. Of course, you are right that the person being banned definitely should be given a concise explanation, but as an on-line community, we must all be aware of what "crosses the line". This is tricky because "line crossing" is subjective, with some believing certain posts, though offensive, nevertheless have a right to be voiced, while others deem them unacceptable. Ultimately, it is the Bulletin's site, so it is the Bulletin's call. That is the thing about freedom of speech - it is important to let those we disagree with have their say. Sincerely, Karen

JimBeam commented on Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 00:55 AM

bull you don't have to apologize for anything, you have done nothing wrong. You only defend yourself when challenged by the village idiot.

Same thing with you YCDI. You were man enough to just drop everything but we all know hoff's goal is to argue over petty stuff. He thrives on that. Besides, hoff is a prick all the time, does he ever apologize? Nope.

KarenPearsall commented on Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 01:34 AM

Hello bull153, Thank you for the apology, but it is not necessary. I am just glad to hear that you will be taking the higher road when confronted with low down insults and ridicule. I know how hard it is not to respond in kind when someone decides that you are going to be his target for constant criticism or sarcasm. But it is my belief that when we sink to the lower level of insults and name-calling, no matter how tempting or seemingly justified, we end up just as covered in mud as the original mudslinger and detract from our insights or valuable ideas that we'd like to share. This does not mean that it is "open season" on you or that personal attacks must go unchallenged. I just feel that one can respond by showing the flaws or inconsistencies in another person's argument or opinion, without resorting to personal derogatory references.
I don't want to come across as so "high and mighty" about this blog, but it is frustrating to me when the comments degenerate into an insulting free-for-all. When this happens, interesting points are obscured, trains of thought are lost, and the subject takes second place to a few posters who seem to delight in tormenting each other or "pressing buttons" for a desired reaction. To further prove my point, look at your last posting here and then compare it to JimBeam's last comment. Who comes across as someone who would offer challenging debates and who recognizes that, since we are all fallible, maybe we can actually learn from one another, even when we don't always agree? I know who I would choose, given the opportunity. Sincerely, Karen

rozemist commented on Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 01:50 AM

@Karen
The fact that only 2 people have been banned from this forum suggest that the bar is not set too high in how much lead way is given to the forum community.
I feel the MB gives a tremendous amount of lead way(I know of other members comments that I would have "deleted" so that is why I couldn't be a moderator)
So this shows that something had to of taken place that was severe enough "crossed the line enough" to get said person banned.
In the case of TRC/and his alias's it was clear for everyone to see.There was no room left to wonder why this person was banned(injurious,defamatory,libelous toward persons,abusive,bullying,harassing)
In the case of mhoffman's comments and blogs that were and are often directly aimed at the Editor might be one possibility,how many Newspapers have you read blogs that directly insult the Managing Editor? Someone said that Mr Wyatt would have thicker skin then that since he is a Editor,but you have to take into consideration these comments often fall into the category of what the Bulletin describes as "damageable,injurious,defamatory,libelous toward persons or organizations(organization being the MB)
Just speculating on this ,I have no proof the online behavior towards the Bulletin is the reason,Karen you eluded to other things that you had heard from a anonymous person from the MB.
Using basic common sense,if one were to continuously insult a Managing Editor(and we all know the words that were used regularly), and staff and I do mean continuously how much would any newspaper have to take before they reached a decision a line had finally been crossed?
Everyone here in the forum probably at one time or another has made a remark about something Mr Wyatt wrote they didn't agree with,or like,but the things that were said in blogs and comments directed at him you just shouldn't do.
I see the terrible comments that members direct towards each other and I wonder why they are not "all" deleted along with mhoffmans.So it must be more about that this person is banned and is not suppose to post period,and that's why those comments are deleted while others remain.
Knowing that its obvious that the MB does give the forum a lot of wiggle room should just remind us all to let common sense be your guide as to what should be within the guidelines of acceptable posting criteria.
Members bickering and name calling back and fourth doesn't seem to fall under the serious offense,unless they start being so much more disgusting then what we have already seen.
I don't think that the MB owes the forum a reason as to why they ban an individual
why, because I think it may fall under a privacy issue,divulging that information may be putting themselves at risk for breaching privacy.Everyone likes to sue these days.
I don't think we need to wonder or worry what it is we might say that could get us banned,putting to use proper forum etiquette and good old common sense I think will suffice
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 01:52 AM

@JimBeam
vulgarity falls under that criteria!
Something you might want to think about.
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 02:50 AM

@Karen
Or should I have said "the bar is not set too low? It's late,I don't know..lol
Time for me to call it a night.
So goodnight Karen.
Sincerely,rozemist

revengeofmomo commented on Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 04:29 AM

YCDI, your attempt at civility is noted and appreciated. I can not see what transpired between you and TT, but I will do my best to put personal comments aside in order to progress rational discourse.

rozemist commented on Friday, Aug 05, 2011 at 17:21 PM

Hello Karen
The Impostor is not try thinking and you are right in who it is.
I think until the situation of spam blogs can be remedied that they need to shut down the blog site on week ends.Its unfortunate that they'd have to do this ,but Can you imagine the mess the report_abuse has got to come back to on Mondays with the amount of spam being posted she/he has to delete.It is not just this persons sole purpose to make everyone in the forum uncomfortable but to cause as many problems as possible for the Bulletin and staff why,well because they "banned"him and that he cannot tolerate.For someone to say No must be a word he is not use to.
I think with enough reports being generated to give to the Bulletin this problem is going to soon be resolved,he has once again directed his post "directly" to me and that was another big Mistake.There was suppose to be nothing directed to me,since its tied in with the harassment issue.Some people learn from mistakes,some do not.
Sincerely,rozemist

rozemist commented on Friday, Aug 05, 2011 at 17:42 PM

@bull153
I can ignore the spam blogs but the one thing that he knows is with the harassment issue on the table that I'm sure your aware of from last month he is not suppose to direct any form of comment towards me (because of it he isn't even suppose to be on this site) ,I intend to see that this gets him in hot water.I let it slide last week end,but not this time.
He can spam blog all he wants I don't read them ,but he knows to not comment to me on the legitimate blogs.Or anywhere within the forum.
So we will see about this.
And I "never" respond to him. Even when he insults me.
Sincerely,rozemist

KarenPearsall commented on Friday, Aug 05, 2011 at 20:09 PM

Hello YouCanDoIt, I agree with you that it would not be a good idea to shut down this site on week-ends. That would also punish the legitimate contributors who have something of value to say. You give good advice to skip or ignore offensive posts, if one does not wish to engage in debate or rebuttal. It also helps to try and see things in a humorous light such as posters who are so desparate for attention that they are the only ones to comment on their own postings, sometimes multiple times. Kind of like "I'm right", "Yeah, I know I'm right and I make good points and my arguments can't be broken!" That does help break up any tension, because comments along those lines ARE pretty funny. But I still wish we could all debate issues respectfully without expecting the "other side" to have to agree. It doesn't have to be good guy/bad guy scenario, since we are all Americans who love our country. Sincerely, Karen

rozemist commented on Saturday, Aug 27, 2011 at 02:42 AM

see ya monday

rozemist commented on Saturday, Aug 27, 2011 at 17:51 PM

.

Bull153 commented on Saturday, Aug 27, 2011 at 20:34 PM

I agree with Karen 100%...

Bull153 commented on Saturday, Aug 27, 2011 at 20:45 PM

I still agree with Karen 100%.

Bull153 commented on Saturday, Aug 27, 2011 at 22:24 PM

Yes, I still agree with Karen...

Bull153 commented on Saturday, Aug 27, 2011 at 23:15 PM

It is hard not to agree with Karen...

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Aug 28, 2011 at 01:04 AM

You really do have to agree with Karen... ;)

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Aug 28, 2011 at 01:38 AM

Karen is worth agreeing with... ;)

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Aug 28, 2011 at 01:44 AM

To be humble to superiors is duty, to equals courtesy, to inferiors nobleness.” - Benjamin Franklin

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Aug 28, 2011 at 02:36 AM

Good quote...

44Magnum commented on Sunday, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM

A lot of repetative posts here. I wonder what point Bull153 is trying to make? If he's trying to make a point.

Cheers, Randy

Bull153 commented on Monday, Aug 29, 2011 at 03:15 AM

bumping garbage

rozemist commented on Monday, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:33 AM

I continue to support Karens Blog on this subject

rozemist commented on Wednesday, Aug 31, 2011 at 22:11 PM

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