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Gun Control - A case for common ground
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I realize that the subject of gun control is a polarizing issue, but I wanted to try and start a dialog that is based on reasoned arguments and respect for (if not agreement with) differing attitudes. Mission impossible? Perhaps, but I am going to try anyway. Besides, can this really be much worse than the spam submissions that overwhelm these blog pages? Thank God that Larry Baca, at least, makes attempts to stoke the conversation. Okay, let's delve into the gun control debate. I am so appalled that the response to horrific mass shootings seems limited to "thoughts and prayers" for the victims. Although such expressions of sympathy are probably sincere and heart-felt, they are simply not enough. I heard a commentator on CNN (I think, it was some cable news show and I don't watch that many)try to frame the debate postulating that there is no way to stop all mass shootings without getting rid of the Second Amendment, so gun control advocates are just trying to take away every person's right of gun ownership. What a straw-man, nonsensical argument! Advocating certain gun restrictions does not mean, of course, that all gun violence will magically disappear. Instead, reasonable restrictions (like prohibiting bump stocks or the seriously mental ill from possessing guns) is meant to deter or lessen the chances of heartbreaking bloodshed. Think of it this way: We obviously can not prevent all car accidents. Some people will still drive while distracted or choose to ignore safety laws that they had to learn to pass their driver's license test. Does that mean we shouldn't require drivers to pass both a written and physical driver's test to operate a car? Should we stop manufacturing seat belts and airbags because some people will die in car crashes and the only way to ensure complete safety is outlaw all cars? If someone seriously advanced that argument he would be thought impractical or misguided at best. So why are some people so threatened by any type of gun restriction?
I have heard the theory that we all need guns to protect ourselves against "the government" or possible "government overreach". How does this make any logical sense? Who enforces our governing laws and protects our nation - police officers and the military. So it seems that some people who outwardly demand respect and reverence for our police force and those who serve in the military don't actually trust them to really protect us. No, according to this line of thought, we must all be well-armed and vigilant against these supposed "government enforcers", lest they seek to try and take away our freedom. That is truly an insulting assessment of our police and military and betrays a breath-taking mistrust of them under the guise of supposed patriotism. "Stand for the flag and all those who serve or died to protect it, but stay well-armed in case they turn on us any minute!" I am stunned by that line of reasoning (or more accurately, lack of reasoning).
Another assertion I heard by the same commentator was that maybe bump stocks shouldn't be outlawed because they make the shots less accurate, implying that less people might be killed. Okay, but it seems like what you would lose in accuracy you would more than make up for in rounds of ammunition fired per minute. I don't really know, since I don't own guns, but that just seems like a common sense observation. I could be wrong.
The point of this blog is not to suggest that all guns of every type should be outlawed or confiscated, but that we should actually enforce the gun laws we have and strengthen or add to them where needed. I want to believe (an X-files quote) that proponents on both sides of the gun control issue can find common ground and sensible restrictions and protections. But this requires rejecting hyperbole on all sides and a willingness to really listen to and acknowledge each other's viewpoints. I hope for our country's sake, we can do it. Sincerely, Karen


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TheSovereign commented on Monday, Nov 13, 2017 at 08:27 AM

Karen,

I'm not looking to steal your thunder or debate, its just as usual, I am long winded. Please see my post in regards to your brave attempt to start a conversation on a "third rail" subject.

Sov

TheSovereign commented on Monday, Nov 13, 2017 at 09:21 AM

Moving it to the top...

KarenPearsall commented on Monday, Nov 13, 2017 at 21:06 PM

Thanks Sov, I look forward to reading your blog.
Sincerely, Karen

TheSovereign commented on Monday, Nov 13, 2017 at 21:51 PM

Here is an interesting read on the second amendment:

https://constitutioncenter.org/intera...

TheSovereign commented on Tuesday, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:35 PM

Another interesting read from today:

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/T...

TheSovereign commented on Wednesday, Nov 15, 2017 at 09:52 AM

After reading the articles in regards to the mass gun killings of yesterday here in Northern California, some points need to be highlighted.

The killer, "Kevin", had been shooting off his gun the prior days. Neighbors stated they had been hearing rapid, and constant shooting going on. "Kevin" was in possession of multiple firearms, and apparently a large supply of ammunition.

Two points that I have made, and I would like to reiterate, is that "Kevin" had a gun fetish, and that had he been limited on the amount of ammunition that he was allowed to have, he would not have been shooting off his guns, which obviously was meant to intimidate his neighbors, but also would not have been able to kill as many random people as he did.

Granted, we can't go back in time to implement simple ammunition regulations, but if we don't do something moving forward, this can and will be a more common problem.

I would be interested in seeing if "Kevin" had been a veteran, seeing that this person had a con.flict with a neighbor, and chose killing as the solution. This isn’t to blame military service for this heinous act, but there is a rash of mental illness concerning returning veterans. Another issue that needs addressing, but for another debate.

Another interesting point that needs to be made, instead of arming the people at the school, as many in the NRA push for, and having an old west shoot out with "Kevin", the school locked itself down, eliminating any opportunity for children to be harmed. It takes intelligence and quick reaction to protect one's self, and not might or weapons.

Karen was, and is, looking for a debate, and I have yet to see a logical and well thought out counter point to what she stated. So, is it that all that have read these blogs so far agree with her, and if so, why are you silent?

KarenPearsall commented on Wednesday, Nov 15, 2017 at 20:01 PM

Hi Sov,
Thanks for the links. I only got to read the second one because after reading it, when I went back on the blog to pick up the first reference and link, it had disappeared. It was even gone on your blog site. I am pretty terrible with computers, so maybe I hit something that erased it and replaced it with some random letters and spaces. Why, I don't know. The most recent shootings and killings just prove to me that despite our "rights", not everyone should be able to possess guns. I think even gun advocates could agree on that point. The debate starts on how is it decided who should or shouldn't be allowed gun access or ownership. Not all gun deaths are preventable - I get that people sometimes just "snap" and we can't always predict that. But in this latest case, with reports of excessive shooting practice before the actual rampage, it is too bad authorities didn't check things out (even if what the shooter did was perfectly legal), to assess his state of mind or just to keep tabs on him. Not all the details have been made public yet, so there is probably more to it than I am grasping.
Sincerely, Karen

TheSovereign commented on Sunday, Nov 19, 2017 at 13:24 PM

Karen,

I kept quite for roughly a week so others could join in the debate. I was hoping and expecting some deep counterpoint to the statements that you and I made, and it appears all you got was me, and a prime example of why we need regulations on some aspect of the second amendment, in the event that took place in up north. It is still my opinion that there needs to be ammunition controls as opposed to gun control, but really there needs to be more involvement from the so called "silent majority."

It is a truism that we won't be able to stop a crazy with a gun, such as the case in Las Vegas, but in my mind the opposite would be true if more attention was placed on the actions of Kevin, leading up to his complete breakdown and subsequent lashing out at society. I do not believe that we need a "Minority Report" type of society where the government in the form of our police departments predicting whom will perform a crime, but reacting to what has been known to be a troubled person shooting off large amounts of rounds of ammunition, I believe the situation would not have occurred. Granted, it was on his own property, but knowing that he has had con.flicts (one of the n - l words that MB hates) with his neighbors.

I also mentioned in my blog that propaganda and fear are a great motivator in the sale and perceived need for gun ownership. Since the Trump Presidency, gun manufactures are showing loses in sales in the areas of up to 30% over the time of the Obama administration. The fear that was mongered by the NRA and the right-wing propaganda cable channel know as Fox News that the so called Liberal President was going to take you guns away is hard to push when there is a right-wing president and congress. Especially when we do have an attack like those in Vegas, Texas, and Northern California, and the president and congress only provides "Hugs and Kisses", or is it 'Thoughts and Prayers"... its hard to generate the fear of the tool.

I see there have been plenty of reads to the two blogs that you and I posted, and hopeful it is generating discussing around the dinner tables of those who read them, but it takes me back to the so called silent majority who don't speak up when subjects like this come up. It may be the fear of not having enough knowledge on the subject to be able to counter those who harbor a fetish for the gun, knowing it can or will deteriorate into something other than a good "point-counterpoint" conversation.

If you go to my blog, you should be able to see the first link that I posted. It is a breakdown on the second amendment, which includes a point-counterpoint debate at the end of it. We all have emotional feelings in regards to our rights, but keeping them in perspective is in my opinion an important means to keep the Constitution vibrant and viable. The site goes into details of the other amendments as well, which should provide good reading to those who feel the same as I do about our rights and liberties.

TheSovereign commented on Sunday, Nov 19, 2017 at 13:25 PM

Its a shame that more readers chose to remain silent in your request for a debate, I am sure there are pro and con points of view out there, and if presented in a intelligent and civil way could bring about a way to start breaking down the fear, and bring about reasonable regulations to the use of a tool that people wish to own.

KarenPearsall commented on Sunday, Nov 19, 2017 at 18:31 PM

Hi Sov, I wanted to thank you for your thoughtful (and thought-provoking) comments and posts. With this blog, I kind of feel like someone who opened a restaurant, but nobody decided to eat there. Perhaps this whole gun control (or ammo control) subject is seen as a waste of time with each side set in their ways and not willing to try to understand the reasoning behind a differing point of view. I really did want to try and make sense of the whole issue and opposing viewpoints, but I guess it just wasn't meant to be on these pages. Again, thank you for your contributions. Sincerely, Karen
P.S. I don't want to play the whiny victim about the lack of a varied response to this blog. Readers respond to what they are interested in or feel is worth their time and I totally respect that.


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