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The recent front page piece (Manteca blesses religious ads) Feb 6 reported the City Council rejected a staff recommendation to prohibit religious and political advertising on the city's 14 bus shelters. The move seemed to have more than one or two outspoken supporters. The Mayor stating "It's about time somebody took a stand", councilman Hernandez suggested we (Manteca??) are a little less liberal than San Francisco, (An understatement considering not many years ago, the KKK held a recruitment rally on the steps of City Hall.) councilman Harris pointed to the words above the U.S Supreme Court dais, which reads "In God we trust". Pastor Mike Dillman asked "When will this madness stop?" apparently referring to his perception of the Federal Government's drive to "Sanitize" public forums of all things "Religious" further claiming "In 1964 God was expelled from our schools, all because one person out of Millions objected to prayer in schools".
Well, it was a little more complicated than that and those claims are a little more debatable than projected by the good Pastor. You can Google it yourself.
What gave me pause on the whole thing was everyone of those supporting the recommendation equated
"Religion" to the "Christian Religion". I wonder if someone else would have been pulling for a different "Religion", say Islam, jainism, sikhism or even atheism (the rejection of belief in the existence of deities). I would venture to say, the debate would have taken a much different turn.
Personally I could care less how Churches want to spend their tax free monies, they don't have any of mine, but if I were in charge of "Religious Advertizing" I wouldn't want to spend it on a Bus Stop poster. I would spend it on TV advertizing. The TV industry will take anyones advertizing monies, tax free or not, no questions asked plus they reach a much larger audience.
Further more, If I were deciding who's advertizing would most benefit the city revenues. I would look to promote local small businesses. The Church, regardless of it's affiliation is looking for more members, thus more revenue, tax free revenue. How does this add to the city revenue? On the other hand, local small business is looking for more spending customers which of course, generates more city tax revenue.
As Michael Corleone, from the Godfather said to his brother, Sonny: " It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business."

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Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 23:18 PM

It's fun to watch some Christians reactions to atheist ad campaigns like on buses and billboards. There's a billboard by Delloso Farms that tens of thousands of people drive by it everyday hoping someone will rent a spot on it. I've always wanted to put up some socialist billboard just to see the pissed off reactions. Include Lenin, Stalin, Che, and Pol Pot for an added effect.

TheSovereign commented on Sunday, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Has no one noticed that the right seems to always need to reformulate and get out their message? You now have the Conservatives reworking their brand because I guess their message was too convoluted for the average American to understand.

Here, we have have a group of people who believe that there is this most powerful mystic who oversees all people and their lives, and when their life is over brings them to live in paradise with him. If this were true, then why would you need to advertise this at bus stops? If this were true, people would be joining in droves with no need to advertise.

It seems that the Conservatives are just advertising companies trying to convince us of the unbelievable. After all, if you are going to be advertising for god, he must be trying to sell us a bill of goods.

rozemist commented on Monday, Feb 11, 2013 at 17:17 PM

I personally am not against religious advertising (except) then you have got to be fair minded and accept all different religions who want the same.
Is the City willing to do this,if so no problems.
But it can't just be "christian" so basically unless the City's going to want to have a diversity of religious ads as well as political ads of all sides it's best to avoid this landslide.Because it will eventually create problems.
How best to avoid the problem is simple don't put up any religious or political ads.
I agree completely with Larry that local business advertising is the way to go.

LarryBaca commented on Tuesday, Feb 12, 2013 at 16:52 PM

Not to mention the vandalism that is sure to occur, like some kid drawing a mustache on Jesus. Oh, he already had one didn't he, or did he? Nobody really knows, do they?

crimeriddendump commented on Wednesday, Feb 13, 2013 at 06:25 AM

I hope the local Sikhs, or a mosque, buy as much advertising as possible and see how long it takes the bigots in to change their minds. "Religious" is really just a synonym for "Christian" in Manteca.

Bull153 commented on Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 04:29 AM

@ LarryBaca...

Larry, here are a couple of articles with a perspective on this issue. Enjoy!



- Ron
D44 - ICRD

“As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents” - George Orwell

“Advertising is the art of making whole lies out of half truths.” - Edgar A. Shoaff

crimeriddendump commented on Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 07:32 AM

Yeo, most "Christians" are hypocritical like that. They have no problem trying to shove religion down everyone's throat, but, the second they see something that promotes atheism, or islam, or sikhism, they completely flip out. Same thing happened about two years ago when someone posted an atheist billboard on HW99 amongst the multitude of Christian billboards.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 23:11 PM

Lol Bull they had to stop doing religious ads because one ad said millions of people were happy without god. A slap to the face of the Christians apparently! It's funny that the Christian view of atheists is of some really unhappy, crabby, mean-spirited dude who just wants to destroy the Christian religion because they're all so very happy(or because the atheists secretly worship the devil). Like life is so empty and horrible without religion! It really is, that's why I picked up Marxism ;)

Bull153 commented on Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 23:38 PM

@ Capitalists_Nightmare...

Of course, the flip side of that is that millions of people are happy with God, be it a Christian God, or Muslim, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or Jewish, or Pagan, or Indian, or whatever one wishes to worship.

If you are a happy Marxist, go ahead and take out an ad... ;)

- Ron
D45 - ICRD

“You CAN fool all the people all the time if the advertising is right and the budget is big enough.” - Joseph E. Levine

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 06:11 AM

I know there are happy theists, my point being is that the stereotypical atheist is a pompous ass who is miserable(probably because of their disbelief in a god). I find it funny, like laugh out loud funny. It really is funny the reactions I get to being an atheist. When I told my mom I didn't want to go to church because I didn't believe in god she grounded me and took away all my video games! I remember one time I was asked by a very nice Mormon girl in class what my beliefs were. When I responded I was an atheist she said "Awww, I'm sorry." lol I don't know why she was sorry! My atheism isn't some burden. My personal favorite has to be "that's why you're so stupid and believe we're all monkeys, where do you get your morals from if not from the Bible?" To which I responded "I don't have any morals, I'm going to string you and your family up by your entrails."

rozemist commented on Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 08:29 AM

Like I said I don't mind religious ads(although one wonders why it needs to be advertised) maybe the hours and location of the place of worship I don't know. But what bothers me is door to door solicitation of religion and they don't consider that they're soliciting because they ignore Any No Solicitors sign that is up.
Some are polite and will respect a No Thank You I'm Not Interested! Some want to stand and argue about"why aren't you interested" Some people will flee when the solicitors are in view and the yet the solicitors will go to their door and knock for a good 3-4 minutes.
A friend of mine had a sign made" No Soliciting I Respect Your Religion, Please Respect Mine"
They still come to her door and knock!

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 14:21 PM

I used to get woken up around 9 in the morning after doing closing shifts at my work by some church people. They kept coming back even after I told them I was an atheist. Finally one day I just told them that I actually just recently converted to Islam. They gave me a horrified look and never came back lol.

LarryBaca commented on Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 00:31 AM

Thanks but no thanks Bull, why would I be interested in some Christian religious dogma? It doesn't interest me in the least. It hasn't since I was in the 6th. grade when I apparently asked a Nun the wrong questions during Bible study. I switched schools (Much to my Mothers dismay) the very next year and never looked back.
Roze, the way I handle the Christian peddlers is to ask very simple questions that I know they can not answer. Such as how old is the Earth or how could just two people populate the entire world, a world with so many different races, without incest or some kind of race magic.. they soon realize they need to go after a more gullible neighborhood. (I usually suggest they visit the other side of town, there are a lot of Republicans who voted for Romney on the other side of town) :-)

Bull153 commented on Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 01:24 AM

@ LarryBaca...

You are welcome to be interested (or not) in whatever you choose. The two articles I posted were not 'Christian religious dogma', but an article on a Texas community that banned religious advertising and one on the rise of religious (all forms) advertising.

You know what they say... 'You can lead someone to knowledge but you can't make them think.'

- Ron

“Good advertising does not just circulate information. It penetrates the public mind with desires and belief.” - Leo Burnett

“Never write an advertisement which you wouldn't want your family to read. You wouldn't tell lies to your own wife. Don't tell them to mine.” - David Ogilvy

Bull153 commented on Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 01:43 AM

@ rozemist...

I've had the same problem with solicitors from religious groups to magazine sellers and everything you can imagine. I don't recommend this for everyone, but it has worked wonders for me.

I simply ask them if they would mind if I cleaned my guns while we talk. Surprisingly, no one has taken me up on the offer. They all say they'll come back at a more convenient time, but never do.

- Ron

“You wouldn't let a salesman in, but the message was allowed in through the radio.” - Marc Olivier

crimeriddendump commented on Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 08:36 AM

Hello Bull153,

Using guns to intimidate honest citizens seems to be EXTREMELY IRRESPONSIBLE!!

People such as yourself that threaten and intimidate other with firearms without provocation should not be allowed to own such firearms.

Ironically, the above seems to be a prime example of the very irresponsible gun ownership that you say is the main source of gun violence.

LarryBaca commented on Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 18:17 PM

Bull, the link name was enough for me...

So you use your guns to intimidate all door to door solicitors? Why am I not surprised?

Bull153 commented on Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 20:34 PM

@ LarryBaca...

No, Larry. I don't try to intimidate all door to door salespeople, just the ones who don't respond to a polite "Thank, you, but I am not interested." For the record, I have never answered my door with a firearm in hand. If people are intimidated when I speak of the safe handling and maintenance of my weapon, it is their problem, not mine.

You are so perfectly prepared, I doubt anything could surprise you. Let's hope if you ever are surprised, it isn't by someone intending to harm you.

- Ron
ICRD - D47

“A rule of thumb for a warrior is that he makes his decisions so carefully that nothing that may happen as a result of them can surprise him, much less drain his power.” - Carlos Castaneda

LarryBaca commented on Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 00:11 AM

You don't meet them at the door with a gun but you bring up "Cleaning your gun while you speak"...that's not intimidating? Please....

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 01:03 AM

@ LarryBaca...

No, Larry, it shouldn't be. It might be for those who won't take "No, thank you." for an answer. You know the type, unwilling to listen, set in their ways, very annoying... kind of like you.

- Ron
ICRD - D47

“If life gives you a bowl of lemons, go find an annoying guy with paper cuts” - Unknown

“The road to truth is long, and lined the entire way with annoying b.....s [people].” - Alexander Jablokov

crimeriddendump commented on Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 07:59 AM

Really this is a prime example of a major reason some people should not own guns. Some talk about preventing the mentally ill from owning guns. One would think threatening honest sales people just trying to do their jobs is not normal and shows quite a bit of mental instability.

Really this is horrible. Sad that people are so small they need to use the implied threat of gun violence to handle basic, everyday situations. Really pathetic if you ask me.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 16:14 PM

Lol a random stranger brings a gun to the door when I knock on it and I might think of going away because they have a freakin' gun in their hands.

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 17:12 PM

@ Capitalists_Nightmare...

Well, my friend, you might think of going away after the first, second, or third time someone tells you they aren't interested, which would then negate the need for more stringent steps to be taken. It's called common courtesy. If you practice it, I doubt anyone will be coming to a door you knock on with a weapon, or slamming a door in your face.

- Ron
ICRD - D48

"Courteous men learn courtesy from the discourteous” - Persian Proverb

“No one is too big to be courteous, but some are too little” - Unknown

crimeriddendump commented on Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 17:43 PM

Honestly, how can anyone think threatening sales people with violence is rational or a way a responsible gun owner should act.

This is really one of the most insane things I've heard in a long, long time.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 18:39 PM

I wouldn't pull out a gun though. Just tell them I'm a Muslim lol.

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 19:03 PM

@ Capitalists_Nightmare...

Well, whatever works for you is fine with me...

- Ron
ICRD - D48

“To succeed in life, you need two things: ignorance and confidence.” - Mark Twain

“Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess.” - Oscar Wilde

LarryBaca commented on Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 23:32 PM

Bull,,"...set in their ways, very annoying... kind of like you."
Soooo, are you saying if I came to your door and identified myself, you would pull out a gun and start cleaning it?

Bull153 commented on Monday, Feb 18, 2013 at 01:27 AM

@ LarryBaca...

No, I am saying you are as annoying as some solicitors.

If you came over at my invitation, we'd probably have a couple of beers and BS for a couple of hours. If you came over unannounced, probably the same would occur. But if I were too busy for you at the time, after I asked you several times politely to leave, I'd just throw you off my property.

By the way, I have never pulled out a gun to clean it with strangers in my home. Never have, never will.

Some people seem to think I have threatened someone. I defy any one of you to point out where I have threatened anyone! If someone tried, they would have one hell of a time making any criminal case out of my statements or implied actions.

- Ron
ICRD - D48

“A piece of advice always contains an implicit threat, just as a threat always contains an implicit piece of advice." - Jose Bergamin

crimeriddendump commented on Monday, Feb 18, 2013 at 09:42 AM

Criminal? Probably not.

Responsible gun ownership? Definitely not.

Absolutely not how a normal person acts, that's for sure.

LarryBaca commented on Monday, Feb 18, 2013 at 18:22 PM

Bull, " I have never pulled out a gun to clean it with strangers in my home. Never have, never will."
So, when you threatened those persistent sales people, you were lying? How Christian of you...:-)

Bull153 commented on Monday, Feb 18, 2013 at 20:49 PM

@ LarryBaca...

I never 'threatened' anyone. No one ever wanted to take me up on the offer, therefore I didn't lie. It isn't about Christianity, it's about common courtesy.

I've said all I intend to on this subject. Move on...

- Ron
ICRD - D49

“The fellow who thinks he knows it all is especially annoying to those of us who do.” - Harold Coffin

LarryBaca commented on Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 00:15 AM

I don't blame you....

crimeriddendump commented on Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 06:39 AM

So threatening sales persons with violence is "common courtesy?" Wow!!! What a warped sense if reality!

LarryBaca commented on Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 16:58 PM

Bull just dug himself in so deep he finally quit and took his ball home...Like I said, I don't blame him...:-)

LarryBaca commented on Wednesday, Feb 20, 2013 at 17:28 PM

Bull must be cleaning his guns.. :-)

Bull153 commented on Saturday, Feb 23, 2013 at 19:30 PM

@ LarryBaca...

Nope... I maintain my weapons in a safe manner and with scheduled maintenance, just like cars or any other mechanical device.

I haven't been to a range in a while, so they are all well maintained and secure. I've just been out of town the past few days. You will still need to put up with me for a few more weeks... enjoy!

- Ron
ICRD - D54

“Patience is the companion of wisdom.” - Saint Augustine

“The two most powerful warriors are patience and time.” - Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy

LarryBaca commented on Sunday, Feb 24, 2013 at 01:50 AM

Did you take your guns with you when you went out of town? Why or why not?

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Feb 24, 2013 at 03:02 AM

@ LarryBaca...

I am somewhat flattered at your sudden interest in my activities. It really is none of your business, but I will still be polite and respond.

One, no. Two, I flew commercially.

- Ron
ICRD - D54

“The things most people want to know about are usually none of their business.” - George Bernard Shaw

LarryBaca commented on Sunday, Feb 24, 2013 at 16:48 PM

Bull, I assure you nobody is interested in your "activities" real or imagined. You must have been feeling pretty vunerable to all those bad guys with guns and you there naked and unprotected. :-)

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Feb 24, 2013 at 19:22 PM

@ LarryBaca...

Wow, Larry... Now my feelings are really hurt. I thought you cared, sniff...

I felt just fine during my travel. You have been operating on the false assumption that I require carrying a firearm 24/7 to feel 'protected'. That's just not true.

While I could have made arrangements to have been armed, I determined it was not necessary given the threat analysis of the trip, the duration, and the security available for me while I was away.

You just don't get some concepts of personal safety, just like many others here who claim to be so knowledgeable, yet don't know squat. Things like threat assessments, intelligence, and security paradigms are foreign to you, while over the years they saved my life many times.

If one sticks one's hand into the crocodile's mouth, it should be no surprise that one could become single handed very quickly.

- Ron
ICRD - D55

“Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world.” - Mary Shafer

"Patrick Henry did not say, 'Give me absolute safety or give me death.' America is supposed to be about freedom." - John Stossel

LarryBaca commented on Tuesday, Feb 26, 2013 at 00:30 AM

Bull, you remind me of the guy on Survivor who thinks he is some kind of secret agent, only he knows he is just playing a game. "security paradigms" OMG you are freakin hilarious...

Bull153 commented on Tuesday, Feb 26, 2013 at 01:05 AM

@ LarryBaca...

I'm happy I remind you of someone positive, since you already know who you remind me of. I take the security of my family and myself seriously. If you find terms you have little understanding of so hilarious, that's fine with me.

I'm glad you are so easily entertained...

- Ron
ICRD - D56

“The only real security that a man can have in this world is a reserve of knowledge, experience and ability.” - Henry Ford

LarryBaca commented on Wednesday, Feb 27, 2013 at 19:19 PM

"Someone positive" Wow, do you actually know who I am referring to? Everybody thinks this guy is nuts, "someone positive"?? Ha! The volume of entertainment you provide is almost unbelievable. I am going to miss you when you are out in the outback of Australia lugging around all your guns looking for caged lions to kill while boning up on Security Paradigms and the like. :-) :-) :-)

Bull153 commented on Wednesday, Feb 27, 2013 at 20:49 PM

@ LarryBaca...

I really am glad I am so entertaining... Unfortunately, it appears only you seem so entertained. You really do take an inordinate amount of interest in me for someone who can say with a straight face "I assure you nobody is interested in your "activities" real or imagined."

Actually, from what I have been able to find out so far, I'll be spending time between my office in Melbourne and several RAAF installations. Any trips involving the outback will be to a restaurant - I wonder, do they have 'Outback Steakhouses' there?

Believe me, I have no intent to kill lions or anything else. As for security, that my friend will be a major part of my job there.

Keep that sarcasm going, Bub... you are obviously much better at it than I am. :-] :-] ;-)

- Ron
ICRD - D58

“Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality.” - Jules de Gaultier

“Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.” - Mark Twain

LarryBaca commented on Thursday, Feb 28, 2013 at 00:35 AM

Thank you Mr. Quotes....

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