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January 1st ushered in a whole new year - an opportunity to step forward and make the world and our lives better. As we watched the crystal ball of 2013 descend in Times Square that fleeting hope landed with a thud like a Sumo wrestler on a grass mat...

It isn't surprising that nothing changed. Within seconds of that New Years' kiss and toast reality smacked us in the kisser. A whole new Congress sits in the wing, ready to be sworn in to do our bidding and right the wrongs of the past. RIGHT! The new Congress will be just as bad, just as broken, just as ineffective as the last. Who is to blame? We are - because as much as we see the damage that the lamebrains in Congress do to us every two years, we keep electing the same morons to go back and do it again. People like Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Harry Reid, Diane Feinstein, Eric Cantor, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell and so on and so on... Insanity...

Our Congress has the lowest approval rating since they began keeping score. 12% - and probably less. Yet we keep shooting ourselves in the foot by reelecting the same idiots who can't agree on a budget, can't come up with a plan to fix the financial mess we are in, and despite a perceived crisis avoided on January 1st, STILL try and pass a pork loaded aid bill for the disaster stricken New York and New Jersey area. I'm glad someone had some sense to prevent the vote - despite the anger from Governor Christie. I don't object to helping those in need. I STRONGLY object to using a disaster aid bill to fund pork in Washington DC and Alaska! Insanity...
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/03/16309992-unloved-for-so-long-congress-not-fazed-by-publics-disapproval?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=2

Hundreds of new laws took effect January 1st. Not all affect us, they range from local ordinances to states referendums to national edicts. Maybe someday someone will start looking into all the laws already on the books and eliminate those that by their very nature are absurd or obsolete before passing more. Like passing gas, some laws make you feel good but can be very unpleasant for everyone else around. Take the new law in Concord, MA that prohibits the sale of single user bottled water. The 84 year old who spearheaded the effort says it will make the world a better place because only 23% of said bottles get recycled and are destroying our Earth. The oil to make the bottles could power millions of vehicles. RIGHT. But, what about all the other larger bottles of water? What about all the individual serving plastic bottles of flavored water? Hey, don't forget all the soda bottles, either! This isn't even a finger in the dike, it is more like an assault on common sense. What good does one ordinance in one town in one state do in the scheme of things. Insanity...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/plastic-bottles-banned-concord-massachusetts_n_2395824.html

We take our freedoms for granted. That's alright, we can take them for granted and yet still appreciate that we have them, and many people over the years have done what was necessary to preserve them. That's why people come here, legally and illegally, because freedom is precious, it is a commodity you cannot buy but is priceless. Imagine something as simple as naming your child and being told what you are allowed to name him or her. Iceland (and several other European countries) has approved lists you must select from. So, no Moon Unit Zappas or Adolph Hitlers allowed. There are some exceptions, very few, and they must be individually approved. So imagine your consternation when you discover that a perfectly good Icelandic name for your daughter is NOT on the approved list. A 15 year old is fighting that terrible battle as we speak. Her Mom named her 'Blaer' which means 'light breeze' in Icelandic. Turns out it isn't approved, so the young lady has been known as 'Girl' for her entire life because of this administrative nightmare. She finally has sued the government - I wish her the best and a victory over stupidity. Insanity...
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/03/16320630-teen-legally-known-only-as-girl-battles-to-use-her-own-name?lite

In every incorporated city I know of, and in most other inhabited areas of our great land, it is illegal to discharge a firearm. It make sense. Of course, there are exceptions, for example police officers in the line of duty, people for self-defense, and on established gun ranges. Yet every New Year thousands of supposedly responsible gun owners light up the neighborhoods with gunfire across the USA. We are indeed fortunate that we don't have many casualties from such reckless behavior, after all what goes up, must come down. But even one injury or death from such antics in inexcusable. You want to make a new law? How about anyone caught unlawfully discharging a firearm on the 4th of July, New Years, any holiday, or hell, any time whatsoever, has their firearms confiscated, destroyed, and are prohibited from every legally owning a firearm again. People who use guns as noisemakers are idiots. Insanity...

Speaking of idiotic antics, what can we do about the paparazzi? One was just killed trying to photograph Justin Bieber in Southern California when he walked into traffic. What a moron. What good does a thousand dollar picture do when you become a hood ornament on some LA commuter's Beemer? You would have thought after the tragic death of Princess Diana that the world would take steps to reign in the madness of hundreds of photographers on motorcycles, in cars, running down the street, or even in helicopters, chasing down the famous and infamous for a photo. I don't have a solution. As long as there is a market for these trash pictures of a famous breast or a star toking on a doobie, there will be idiots risking life and limb (and not just their own). I'm OK with freedom of the press, I am not against anyone making an honest living. Paparazzi can be just as dangerous as terrorists. And just as stupid. Insanity...

When it comes to Hollyweird, male idiot has to be Charlie Sheen and female idiot Lindsay Lohan - hands down. 'Nuff said. Insanity...

- Ron
Day 3 - ICRD

“My dear Sir, take any road, you can't go amiss. The whole state is one vast insane asylum.” - James L. Petigru


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rozemist commented on Friday, Jan 04, 2013 at 16:41 PM

Truth is I think that Congress doesn't care anymore about what their approval rating is..immunity ?

rozemist commented on Friday, Jan 04, 2013 at 17:11 PM

http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-s...

with the exception of a few here and there most are kinda funny

Bull153 commented on Friday, Jan 04, 2013 at 20:42 PM

@ rozemist...

I have to agree. With an approval rating of about 10%, only one in ten Americans is satisfied with Congress. I'm going to guess that the 10% consists of their families, relatives, and political supporters. Anyone with common sense can't possibly approve of what these clowns have accomplished - or more precisely - have NOT accomplished.

As for immunity... everyone in the House is immune for the next two years... and a third of the Senate as well.

Thanks for the link to the stupid laws... some are very old, some are very stupid, and some are just not well explained.

I'd be happy if they fixed what was broken before trying to pass new laws that are unneeded... oh well, what else is new...

- Ron
D4-ICRD

“Deception is a cruel act... It often has many players on different stages that corrode the soul.” - Donna A. Favors

44Magnum commented on Saturday, Jan 05, 2013 at 20:29 PM

Bull153;

I believe the Congressional approval rating has fallen below ten percent. I'm not betting on how much lower it will go.

There are thousands of new laws out there that will require thousands of new government employees to monitor and enforce them. Government is growing rather than shrinking. Spending is increasing and the Obama administration is spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave or a Beverly Hills teen with daddy's credit cards.

It is a sad thing that we condone it. I wonder what the next four years will really be like. It frightens me a bit. Anyone with common sense should be as well.

Cheers,
Randy

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 10:57 AM

@ 44Magnum...

Yep, there is an article I referenced that has it down at about five percent. I don't know if it will go much lower.

What really matters is that the Congress doesn't care. Unlike any other profession where results and success is a measure of competence, they are elected and rather than feel an obligation to their constituency, they only feel an obligation to themselves. With very few exceptions, there not one worth a damn...

As you say, we all should be a bit frightened.

- Ron
D6-ICRD

“I don't think it's the function of Congress to function well. It should drag its heels on the way to decision.” - Barber B. Conable, Jr

“One of the standing jokes of Congress is that the new Congressman always spends the first week wondering how he got there and the rest of the time wondering how the other members got there” - Unknown

crimeriddendump commented on Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Figures that Bull153 here ignores the 2010 gerrymandering by House Republicans and further ignores that the members of Congress with the lowest approval are members of the Republican caucus.

Also interesting that President Obama's approval rating is roughly 60%. One would think that if Bull153 was being intellectually consistant, he would easily conclude that President Obama was doing a great job.

So thanks Bull153 for reminding us all how poorly the GOP approval rating is as compared to the Democrat in the White House.

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 17:00 PM

@ rozemist...

In today's installment of insane and insanity, we have:

--- French actor Gerard Depardieu has received a Russian passport after flying to Russia for a late night dinner with President Vladimir Putin. He is seeking Russian citizenship after the French government created a super tax on French millionaires. Gee, I wonder if we could get Michael Moore to apply???
http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/fren...

--- A Kuwaiti court sentenced a man to two years in prison for insulting the country's ruler on Twitter. According to the verdict, a tweet written by Rashid Saleh al-Anzi in October "stabbed the rights and powers of the Emir" Sheikh Sabah al-Ahmad al-Sabah. Wow... and you think we have restrictions on social media...
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/tec...

--- Too much time on ones hands? A fan of the comedy series 'Friends' supposedly scoured all 238 shows in order to determine the number of sexual partners each character on 'Friends' had. While no one has verified the data, I'm not surprised that Joey had 51 of the 138 partners this nerd identified. And Chandler? Just 10...LOL.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywo...

--- Health insurance companies across the country are seeking and winning double-digit increases in premiums for some customers. In California, Aetna is proposing rate increases of as much as 22 percent, Anthem Blue Cross 26 percent and Blue Shield of California 20 percent for some of those policy holders. Really? This is affordable health care?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50379732/...

- Ron
D6-ICRD

“a good friend is a connection to life - a tie to the past, a road to the future, the key to sanity in a totally insane world” - Lois Wyse

Bull153 commented on Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 10:40 AM

In today's installment of 'dumb and completely dumb' we have:

--- Lindsay Lohan appears in a NY court today on charges she assaulted a patron of a NY City nightspot back in November. Her attorney claims the victim is only seeking "15 minutes of fame". Really? After epic failures in both acting and lifestyle, who is seeking fifteen minutes of fame? Who, really?
http://news.msn.com/pop-culture/lohan...

--- A 17 year old Alabama student has been charged with plotting to assault fellow students with explosives. The plot was discovered and broken up before the devices were completed. Is this a case of 'revenge of the nerd' or 'attack of the jock'? Whatever it is, thankfully it was thwarted before anyone was hurt. Maybe it was just his metal shop project?
http://news.msn.com/us/ala-teen-accus...

--- San Francisco police are searching for a suspect in an assault on a woman in which she was doused with a flammable liquid and set afire. While still under investigation, one can surmise that since the attacker and victim had a dating relationship, it most likely has something to do with love gone wrong. Whatever happened to just walking away? Or, there are plenty of fish in the sea? I guess this nutcase decided barbequing his love interest was his only option.
http://news.msn.com/us/police-hunt-su...

--- And finally, in New Zealand, during their warm and cozy summer season, a couple tied the knot in a ceremony held at a naturist club - in the nude. Some 120 guests were in attendance, half of them clothed, at the first wedding held at the club. OK, it is their lifestyle, I get it. They did it in a private setting, I get that too. But it takes the imagination out of the event. As one person commented, you didn't have to guess at who the best man was...LOL
http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/81469...

- Ron
D7-ICRD

“The naked truth is always better than the best dressed lie” - Ann Landers

“Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no in_fluence on society.” - Mark Twain

rozemist commented on Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 11:47 AM

@Bull153
Yes I read about Gerard Depardieu ,and also did you read that Bridget Bardot will leave also if 2 elephants are euthanized at a circus
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/...
I guess everybody want to move to Russia..;)

Bull153 commented on Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 12:00 PM

@ rozemist...

I saw the article about Bridget Bardot but hadn't read it. At least in her case it is an altruistic reason, Depardeau is just selfish. (No surprise there). They are welcome to go anywhere they please... as long as it isn't here. We already have our quota of idiots and need no more... and I can think of several people here that I wouldn't mind seeing emigrate to Russia...

-Ron
D7-ICRD

“There is no income tax in Russia. But there's no income.” - Will Rogers

“In America you can always find a party. In Russia the party always finds you.” - Yakov Smirnoff

DLangdon commented on Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 19:54 PM

What I find odd is that while congress is almost universally disliked, the vast majority of voters keep re-electing their own members to congress. When the leading cause of members leaving congress is their own resignation/retirement and congress's approval rating is at 9% we the voters are not doing our job. Our job being to vote out the bad representatives.

revengeofmomo commented on Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 22:59 PM

Einstein never said that. It is just another stupid quote that people fell for because it said someone who is smart said it. I'm hardly ever amazed at who falls for these.

Friendo commented on Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 00:20 AM

So what point are you attempting to raise concerning individuals who have unknowingly used a misattributed quote? I don't follow.

Bull153 commented on Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 07:10 AM

@ DLangdon...

That is exactly the point. There is so much of the 'NIMBY' attitude that everyone else's legislator is an idiot but the idiot I voted for is fine.

People don't recognize that the longer one serves in Congress, the more likely they will be even less effective and fall into the 'do only what is best for me' mindset.

We talk during the election cycles about voting out the ineffective people in Washington... but we never do it. That is why we are stuck with Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell, Nancy Pelosi, and John Boehner again.

Once you hit your thumb with a hammer, don't you think you'd be more careful the next time? In elections, it doesn't appear so.

- Ron
D8-ICRD

“I will feel equality has arrived when we can elect to office women who are as incompetent as some of the men who are already there” - Maureen Reagan

Bull153 commented on Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:23 AM

Today's installment of the weird and wacky news:

--- A 90 year old man in Saudi Arabia had drawn the ire of citizens on social media for marrying a fifteen year old. The gentleman paid a dowry of $17,000 to arrange for the nuptials. Now, arranged marriages are not uncommon nor is the payment of dowries... but a fifteen year old!?! That is the issue with some wondering if this isn't more a case of child abuse than a marriage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middl...

--- In Siberia, a doctor has claimed to have discovered a sure fire cure for what ails you - addiction wise that is. Seems that for $99.00 a session, the good doctor or one of his staff will beat the addiction out of you. Using a cane or whip only on the buttocks, the claim is that such treatment is effective. Hum, corporal punishment an effective treatment? Who would have thought - Maybe it could be effective for - who knows - bad behavior as well?
http://siberiantimes.com/other/others...

--- McDonalds, in an attempt to drum up more business, has started a campaign to introduce 'mighty wings' chicken wings to their menu. Popular after a test run in the Atlanta market, they are being offered now in the Chicago area only. Like their McNuggets, they will be available in packs of 3, 5, and 10 - in Chicago. Chicago? - Never mind...
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sect...

--- Arnold Schwarzenegger, famous for being the Terminator and the Governator, is pushing his return to movies in a big way, a 50-ton way you could say. Arnold hauled out his very own personal M-47 Patton tank to crush a car for journalists as he touted his upcoming film 'The Last Stand'. With Arnold driving, it could be a lot of people's last stand...
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-t...

- Ron
D8-ICRD

“No one can drive us crazy unless we give them the keys.” - Doug Horton

“Insane people are always sure that they are fine. It is only the sane people who are willing to admit that they are crazy.” - Nora Ephron

TheSovereign commented on Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 12:20 PM

"The new Congress will be just as bad, just as broken, just as ineffective as the last. Who is to blame? We are - because as much as we see the damage that the lamebrains in Congress do to us every two years, we keep electing the same morons to go back and do it again." - Its been shown over and over again that Americans think Congress is bad, but their Congressman is doing a good job. This is why they keep getting reelected. Unfortunately, Congress is reflective of the people who live in the many different districts across the country.

This is also why they only get two years in the House before they have to run again. If one is tired of the same people being reelected, then change the way elections are financed as opposed to limiting who the people can vote for. It always seems the incumbents have far more money accumulated from their sponsors than do the challengers. Its been said by former congressmen that 90% of their time is spent raising money for reelection. If we change the way elections are financed, we may be able to free congress up to do our business for a change instead of their own.

crimeriddendump commented on Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 13:10 PM

Hello TheSovereign

The answer is compulsory voting while including a "no one" response as well. Force everyone to the polls but, still allow voters to not vote.

As an aside, I found Bull153 choice of quotes above hilarious given that he has always insisted he is better than "fine."

Bull153 commented on Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 13:27 PM

@ TheSovereign...

I agree. I said more than once we need to have election reform, everything from campaign financing to the electoral college. The system is broken and needs to be fixed. The inmates are running the asylum!

-Ron
D8-ICRD

“The Democrats think Republicans are stealing elections. The Republicans think Democrats are stealing elections. And those of us independent of the two old parties know they are both right.” - Kevin Zeese

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 22:33 PM

$99 to get beat with a stick? I could do that for free. Would probably be as productive as praying the gay away though.

crimeriddendump commented on Wednesday, Jan 09, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Hello Capitalists_Nightmare,

You lost me somewhere.

Bull153 commented on Wednesday, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Today's loony news focuses on the individual...

--- A police officer in New Jersey lost his department issue sidearm. Not a very smart thing. It seems he was changing from his uniform to his off-duty wear in the parking lot (???) and may have left the weapon on the vehicle as he drove off. Needless to say, when he realized it was missing and retraced his steps... the handgun was nowhere to be found. Can you say oops? Not a particularly bright bulb in law enforcement's chandelier - especially when the same officer was suspended last year for being photographed asleep in his patrol car. Can you say oops again?
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/...

--- Before Christmas, an Alaska couple were the victims of an identity thief who was able to obtain their ATM card information. The hoodlum was able to run up illegal purchases of about $5,000 before the victims were able to put a stop on the card and further purchases. Our criminal deserves a Darwin award though, seems he forgot to change the shipping address on his many orders, so all his ill-gotten gains were delivered to - you guessed it - his victims.
http://www.adn.com/2013/01/06/2744285...

--- A court in Cameroon has overturned the conviction of a pair of men who were sentenced to five years in prison for - believe it or not - 'looking gay'. Under Cameroon's strict anti-gay laws, these two gentlemen were arrested and convicted after sitting in a bar and ordering 'Bailey's Irish Cream' drinks. I guess Cameroon is one locale I will cross of my bucket list of places I wanted to visit and have a 'Bailey's Irish Cream'...
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/...

...and finally in our 'whatever happened to civil liberty' file...

--- The city of Orlando, Florida is planning to fine a couple in their fair city $500.00 a day for - I'm not making this up - having a garden in their front yard. Looking at the picture, it doesn't look any different that landscaping, but for some unknown reason, the City of Orlando is targeting these people for nothing more than - supplementing their food sources? You saw it here first, folks!
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Coll...

- Ron
D9-ICRD

“Be careless in your dress if you will, but keep a tidy soul.” - Mark Twain

TheSovereign commented on Wednesday, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:57 AM

I still see no fault with the electoral college as it is an institution that has worked according to the founders plans for over two hundred years. Some claim its not Democratic but it is, only in a Republican (not party) way.

The financing needs to be addressed to end the corruption that the donations bring currently. The electoral college has nothing to do with the corruption of congress.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Wednesday, Jan 09, 2013 at 13:34 PM

Crimriddendump, Bull linked to an article talking about a Siberian doctor who has found the cure to addiction! For just $99 a session he will hit you in the ass with a stick or with a whip!

rozemist commented on Wednesday, Jan 09, 2013 at 13:48 PM

lol

rozemist commented on Wednesday, Jan 09, 2013 at 13:49 PM

CN you're too funny

I read that same link,crazy

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Wednesday, Jan 09, 2013 at 22:09 PM

Thank you rozemist.

What's even funnier is I don't know if Bull was seriously supporting the scheme's methods with that last sentence of his concerning that article.

crimeriddendump commented on Wednesday, Jan 09, 2013 at 22:44 PM

Hello Capitalists_Nightmare,

He was probably against it in the first sentence in the paragraph and then for it by the last. Double standards seem to be a recurring theme here ...

Bull153 commented on Thursday, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Here's today's crop of wild and weird news...

Octogenarians must think they can get away with anything. From plowing into a convenience store when they can't decide which is the accelerator and which is the brake, to this wonderful grandmother who decided to attend a city council meeting with a BB gun to demonstrate how easy it is to purchase 'deadly weapons'. Bless you lady, your heart is in the right place, but I wonder about your mind...
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/...

In our virtual reality segment, there's a father in China who is so upset with his lazy, out of work, unmotivated to find a job, all-I-want-to-do-is-play-video-games son that he hired some on-line gamers to kill him. Well, not really kill his son, just all of his on-line characters, so that he would give up video games and go out looking for a job. Let us know how that works out for you, Pops!
http://news.msn.com/pop-culture/repor...

It's nice to see how respectful and courteous our football athletes can be. You know, those role models of the gridiron we all want our kids to be like... One of the Oakland Raiders was cited by police for having tinted windows on his car in violation of the vehicle code. When asked to sign the promise to appear, rather than put his name, he wrote an obscenity laced quote. Even after being given a chance to sign the cite a second time, this player refused and was arrested. Yep, just like what I want my kid to be like.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/...

Finally, in our 'they don't catch the smart ones' report, we have Billy Bob Dumbnut who broke into a local convenience store and stole a number of items, like lottery tickets, beer, and Cheetos. The case was rapidly solved when the local authorities arrested poor old Billy Bob. It appears that in his haste to flee the crime scene, one of the Cheetos bags was ripped. The police were able to follow the trail of orange goodness right to Billy's home, close to the store.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines...

-Ron
D10-ICRD

“The mere athlete becomes too much of a savage” - Plato

“Poverty may be the mother of crime, but lack of good sense is the father”
Jean de la Bruyere

KarenPearsall commented on Thursday, Jan 10, 2013 at 13:04 PM

Hello Bull153, You have every right to comment on the articles you choose to post but it is less than forthright to twist what the article ACTUALLY said in order to underscore your position. The words "deadly weapons" do not appear anywhere in the actual news article. The woman was attempting to make a point about the ease of purchasing guns. By restating this as "deadly weapons" in conjunction with BB guns, it appears that you were just trying to portray this woman in an even more ridiculous light. Bringing any type of gun into a public meeting to make whatever point one is attempting to publicize IS a very bad idea that could have led to serious consequences through misunderstanding. But to ridicule the elderly is not at all funny, in my opinion. That whole "Bless you lady..." comment sounds so smug and condescending. I admire the woman's passion, even if I question her methods. The article described her as an activist, which at age 86, strikes me as worthy of respect for her caring and commitment. Also, unfortunate cases of hitting the wrong pedal or gas/brake pedal confusion which results in tragedy is not something to joke about nor is that only confined to older drivers. Your choice of "targets" leaves much to be desired. Sincerely, Karen

Bull153 commented on Thursday, Jan 10, 2013 at 13:33 PM

@ KarenPearsall...

Really? Since when is a gun NOT a deadly weapon? In her own words she said she brought the BB gun to the meeting to demonstrate how easy it is to buy guns. Everyone who has posted here in criticism of legal gun ownership points out that the only purpose of a gun is to kill. So, because an old lady brings a BB gun instead of an AK47 to the meeting she is supposed to get a pass on the definition of a deadly weapon? Sorry, not in my opinion.

Call it what you want, the point is anyone of any age who brings any weapon into a public meeting is a moron, good intentions notwithstanding. People can be passionate without being stupid. I admire the fact she is an activist. I ridicule her methods.

As for the brake/gas pedal controversy... far more elderly have committed that diving error than any other age group. Sorry you think I was joking... I wasn't. It is a fact of life.

I post the link to the articles with my comments so you can read for yourself and make up your own mind on each event. No one says you have to agree with my perspective, but I have a right to express it, just as you have the right to disagree.

- Ron
D10-ICRD

“When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; if I am right, he will learn; if I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both will profit.” - Ayn Rand

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Thursday, Jan 10, 2013 at 14:47 PM

McClain is my hero, if only he performed well on the field...

KarenPearsall commented on Thursday, Jan 10, 2013 at 14:58 PM

Hello Bull153, Why create "straw man arguments" in this discussion? I NEVER suggested that you don't "have the right to express it (your perspective)". In fact, the first sentence of my post asserts that you DO have the right to make comments. Please don't muddy the waters. What I take issue with is your editorializing the articles that you are summarizing. You are free to comment AFTER you objectively set forth the subject or issue of the article. I have already stated that it is unwise to bring any type of gun into a public meeting.

I thought you were using sarcasm or ridicule when you wrote, "Octogenarians must think that they can get away with anything. From plowing into convenience stores when they can't decide which is the accelerator and which is the brake...", but you claim, "Sorry you think I was joking...I wasn't". That smacks of ageism if you seriously believe that people in their 80's "think that they can get away with anything". My parents, relatives and neighbors who are in their 80's recognize and respect laws and responsible behavior. Stop generalizing!!! For one who takes such offense at ANY criticism of police officers, you act like it is perfectly acceptable for YOU to insult those who you target (lawyers, the elderly), as if YOU are the arbitrator of right and wrong and YOUR experience trumps all others. That comes across as arrogance and does not lead to productive discussion. Sincerely, Karen.

Bull153 commented on Thursday, Jan 10, 2013 at 18:45 PM

@ KarenPearsall...

Again, really? I haven't created any straw man arguments, I never said you suggested I didn't have the right to my perspective. where did that come from? I merely reiterated my position. You are the one muddying the waters. What I've said in every post of these tidbits of news is my opinion and perspective. You don't have to agree, but I'm not going to change my opinion because you don't like the way I described some woman's actions. I don't have to objectively state anything, I comment on the article and post the link. You are free to read the article and draw your own conclusions. Anything else smacks of censorship.

After having dealt with many octogenarians in my life, I can have an opinion of the elderly. I don't think anyone over 65 should be allowed to drive without taking a basic skills test. I think they should do it every three years and their license should not be renewed without it. If that smacks of ageism, oh well. That is what I believe. I don't think only people in their 80's should respect laws and responsible behavior -NEWS FLASH- everyone should! I do not take offense at any criticism of police officers, just unsubstantiated criticism. In fact I was pretty critical of the nimrod that lost his service weapon. I make comments based on my beliefs, just as you do. I'm sorry if you find my dislike of politicians, lawyers, and people who hate the police offensive. I find a lot of things in life offensive. So what?

You give me far more credit than I deserve. I am not the arbitrator of right and wrong for everything, but I do have experience and expertise that qualifies me to render and informed opinion on some subjects. I'll continue to do so. I'm sorry if that offends you.

- Ron
D10-ICRD

“A lot of good arguments are spoiled by some fool who knows what he is talking about.” - Miguel de Unamuno

crimeriddendump commented on Thursday, Jan 10, 2013 at 19:14 PM

Hello KarenPearsall,

Shame that the author of this blog is not taking your comments seriously. It would seem his ego is preventing him from seeing that no one cares for his crassness and hypocrisy except himself.

If he does not care what anyone else thinks, why does he even bother posting here?

crimeriddendump commented on Thursday, Jan 10, 2013 at 19:18 PM

Hello KarenPearsall,

Like the "typos" in Frank's letter, I find the refusal to change the misquote in image accompanying this blog to be representative of this bloggers general attitude as well. As "the arbitrator of right and wrong" the author here has decreed the quote to be accurate; therefore, it is!!

KarenPearsall commented on Thursday, Jan 10, 2013 at 20:34 PM

Hello Bull153, It's a shame that you let your defensiveness get in the way of self-improvement. I happen to agree with you that it is foolhardy for "anyone of any age to bring a weapon into a public meeting". What I object to is that you are taking one woman's thoughtless action and making that a reflection or representation of ANYONE in their 80's. When you write, "Octogenarians must think that they can get away with anything", that is EXACTLY what you are implying. Did you ever consider that this woman's questionable judgement might have NOTHING to do with her age? Providing the article and your comments on the unwise actions of this woman would have been more effective had you chosen not to make rash generalizations (based on what, your "vast" experience with the aged?) on a whole group of people based solely on their age. You advise not painting everyone with the same broad brush, but YOU do so when it suits your own purpose. No one is saying that you can't "have an opinion of the elderly", but you flaunt your ageism, much as racists expose their prejudices. If you are content to be defined by your harsh words and unfair and unyielding attitude, there is nothing I can do to change your mind, unfortunately. You note that everyone should respect laws and responsible behavior. That is obvious. My point, to counter your contention that the elderly "think they can get away with anything", was that in MY experience (which is just as valid as YOURS) some of the elderly ARE responsible individuals, as well as admirable ones. You claim to only take offense at "unsubstantiated criticism" of police officers, but set yourself up as arbitrator of what is substantiated or not. If it fits YOUR experience and so-called "expertise" then you deem it "substantiated", while you characterize others' opinions (such as capitalistsnightmare or redeyedrider) as unwarranted or invalid. That is one narrow world view that you have, if you must be the center of the universe and everyone who disagrees with you is fair game for ridicule or insults. Lastly, you are mistaken if you think I see you as the "arbitrator of right or wrong of everything". I am only pointing out that this is how it seems that you view YOURSELF, from the way you express your opinions and attitudes in your posts. I have repeatedly stated that I think differing perspectives and opinions are of value to this forum. It IS important that you voice your ideas or opinions, but your words reflect a seemingly smug, self-satisfaction and apparent unwillingness to respect (not agree with) others' right to state their opinions without subjecting themselves to your ridicule. People who disagree with you are not "morons" or "idiots". Even if not directed at me personally, I DO find these words offensive when applied to other posters who have not started out insulting or aggressive in their own posts. It is apparent that we have a different take on this and are at an impasse. Sincerely, Karen

crimeriddendump commented on Thursday, Jan 10, 2013 at 21:32 PM

Hello KarenPearsall,

For risk of generalizing, do you find it interesting that the behavior of this forum is a microcosm of national congressional politics? TeaParty member(s) hijack debate and demand to impose their worldview on others regardless of facts, reality or popular consensus?

Is it correlation or a simple coincidence? Just a thought ...

Bull153 commented on Friday, Jan 11, 2013 at 01:55 AM

@ KarenPearsall...

I don't need any self-improvement, I'm just fine. I object that simply because you object to my comments you feel I need self-improvement. Mercy me.

Listen, what is this whole thread about? Insanity. I've posted twenty or more articles about stupidity, silliness, and craziness. I've ragged on the police, criminals, politicians, fathers, and lecherous old men. I've made comments on every single story I've linked to. Yet you 'object' to my treatment of octogenarians.

You don't even address my comments when I get serious - like requiring the elderly to take skills test before getting their license renewed. I also believe that drivers under the age of 25 should only get a license for three years at a time and also be required to pass a skills test every time it is renewed. Why? Because those are the people that cause a majority of terrible accidents. Younger drivers because they lack experience and want to show off, the elderly because as they age their eyesight and coordination diminishes.

If TheSovereign or LarryBaca had been writing these comments, no one would say a thing. It would be chalked up to sarcasm and satire. Let me ask you something, seriously. Do you really believe that I think octogenarians think they can get away with anything? With all the writing I've done, I'd think you'd know me better. Do you really believe I hate all lawyers? You know that in 35 plus years of police work, I dealt with attorneys and prosecutors all the time. My best friend is a lawyer. Even he says he hates all lawyers, and he is one! Words matter, they do. But context matters as well.

I express my opinion. I believe what I say, but I'm not above stretching a point or using sarcasm. I know a lot about some things, some about other things, and very little about many things. When I am experienced in an issue, I'm going to give you that expert opinion. What you do with it is up to you. When someone is wrong about the police or what they've done, I'm going to say it. What you do with that is also up to you. You don't ask a doctor how to change a flat and you don't ask a mechanic about heart surgery.

I said before you have the right to be offended and the right to object to my comments. When I believe you are wrong, I'll tell you. I'll tell you why I think you are wrong. But I won't make a statement that you need self-improvement. That's up to you to decide. If that puts us at an impasse, I can live with it.

- Ron
D10-ICRD

“To give a satisfactory decision as to the truth it is necessary to be rather an arbitrator than a party to the dispute.” - Aristotle

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Friday, Jan 11, 2013 at 02:48 AM

Bull, out of curi*osity, what's with the repetitiveness of "I have the right to express my opinion"? You say something like that all the time. And not just you, I notice that a lot of conservatives that I've debated on the internet, in real life, even on here, constantly talk about how they have a right to say whatever they're saying. Can't you see where people get a little confused when you're replying to criticism with saying you have a right to say what they're criticizing? It would seem to imply that they're trying to take away that right from you when you say it.

You have the right to say whatever thing you're going to say, I have a right to respond to what you say, we all understand this, so why keep bringing it up? You think we might forget and just take away your rights or something?

Bull153 commented on Friday, Jan 11, 2013 at 02:57 AM

@ Capitalists_Nightmare...

I'm sorry. I didn't realize I was repeating myself. I'll try not to be so repetitive in the future. Since we all understand we all have the right to our opinions, there is no need to keep bringing it up.

Believe me, I'm not in the least bit concerned that you or anyone one else here is going to try and take anything away from me. As for other conservatives, I can't answer for them.

-Ron
D10-ICRD

“My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.” - Ashleigh Brilliant

Bull153 commented on Friday, Jan 11, 2013 at 09:56 AM

Today we take a look internationally, proving that Americans aren't the only people who are a bit off kilter...

In India, a defense attorney (Did I mention I hate lawyers?) defending three of six people charged with the brutal rape and beating to death of an Indian woman, blames the victim. Yep, it is all her fault that six sick (Not Sikh!) individuals raped her then beat her so badly she died. Maybe she wouldn't have been so badly treated if she had been a cow...
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/20...

The President of France wants to outlaw homework for French school kids... He claims it is unfair because some parents are able and willing to help their kids with home assignments, while others are not. So he wants to keep schoolwork at school... and increase the school week from four days to... my goodness... four and a half!
http://www.newser.com/story/155658/fr...

Speaking of France, a member of the European Parliament wants everyone to stop bashing the poor French. You know, the nation that refuses to help when every other European nation steps up. The country where surrender is preferred. Where they actually have an armored vehicle with two drivers, one in front and one in the rear, for speedy getaways. Where their tanks are equipped with backup lights and you can get a good deal on military rifles. (Never fired and only dropped once).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/world...

Finally, a Dutch politician who favors green energy and conservation is spearheading a drive to multi-task while showering. He advocates mixing a little yellow with the green during your daily showers to save water. (This in a country surrounded and often inundated with water). I suppose it would save a drop or two, but if one only showers once a day - what is one to do? Either hold it an awfully long time, or (heaven forbid) use a toilet. I can't wait to hear his plans for number two...
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives...

- Ron
D11-ICRD

“To understand Europe, you have to be a genius - or French.” - Madeleine Albright

“Europe was created by history. America was created by philosophy.” - Margaret Thatcher

crimeriddendump commented on Friday, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Hello Bull153,

You poor attempts at humor here again contains undertones of religious bigotry, sexism, racism, insensitivity, immaturity, and outright ignorance.

- Simply trying to make jokes about the horrific attack in India is disgusting to say the least. Your Sikh comment is terrible on many levels as is your "cow" comment. This event was horrific enough without you piling religious bigotry o top of it. Making jokes about this women's attackers is also borderline sexism as your comments would suggest you find this incident funny. I do not and think humor has a place in sympathizing with a women who was brutally murdered. Shame on you!

- You show how little you know about France's education system. and how you didn't even read the article you posted. Very ignorant of you to be making fun of what was clarified in the actual article.

- Your depiction of France's military makes me question your military experience. Yo are seem to be ken on quotes; Rudyard Kipling, once famously said about the French: "Their business is war, and they do their business." Seems you are basing this on WWII And while it is true that France surrendered to Germany relatively early in WWII, that was only because they hadn't picked themselves up after WWI yet. Even so, the French still suffered 217,000 dead and 400,000 wounded. Compare that to America’s loss of 416,000 dead during four years of war in the Pacific and Europe. Further, in WWI the French suffered about 5.7 million casualties. AGAIN, you seem to base your comments on ignorance, not facts.

- You seem to be fascinated with immature bathroom humor. It is as unfunny here as your many prior 3rd-grade level bathroom jokes. Again, immature to say the least.

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove with your horrible editorializations. So far, you only seem to highlighting your personal flaws.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Friday, Jan 11, 2013 at 15:11 PM

I find it funny that because of this case of rape in India people think they can just bash it. Oh look at backwards India, someone was gangraped to death, what savages. But they don't take time to reflect on rape here. In this case these people were facing a death sentence before she died, now that she's dead I'd say their fates are sealed. In America a girl who was passed out at a party was raped by two boys, when she found out what happened later she went to court over it. They got a slap on the wrist and she, the victim, got a gag order saying she couldn't tell people about what happened or tell people the bs "punishment" the two men got. Talk about justice in America right?

And these types of excuses, she souldnt have been wearing that clothes if she didn't want to get raped, she shouldn't be walking that late at night, she shouldn't have gotten drunk at a party and passed out, etc, is just rape apologism/victim blaming that we see here in America too.

crimeriddendump commented on Friday, Jan 11, 2013 at 17:52 PM

Hello Capitalists_Nightmare ,

The autor of this blog has a MAJOR problem with "victim blaming." Personally, I feel that it is just another brand of hypocrisy.

The whole idea that anyone can joke about such a horrific event is a disgusting example of what you - more or less - called before the worst qualities of Americanism.

Bull153 commented on Friday, Jan 11, 2013 at 21:34 PM

@ Capitalists_Nightmare...

I'm having trouble making sense of your post. What does the horrific rape and murder in India have to do with law and justice in the US? There is no doubt the criminal justice systems are different. In India, the six people charged will be tried and held accountable by their laws. The same thing will happen under similar circumstances in the US.

I wish you would cite your source on the rape you mentioned. There have been many rapes that meet the scenario you spell out, but once the trial is over, the judge doesn't make a gag order. Unless it was a juvenile proceeding, it is a matter of public record and cannot be 'gagged' after it is over.

There is an ongoing case in which two youths are charged with the rape of a young lady who was supposedly drugged. The hacker group Anonymous allegedly posted video of the victim being carried by the two boys. It has become quite a controversial case, but it has not been concluded.

The fact is, there are issues with every case and every form of legal justice. The US system is by far the most fair and just. It is the model for other nations to follow.

It is true that victims are often blamed for what their perpetrators are responsible for. It is a common defense tactic, smear the victim. That is one reason many crimes go unreported. That is really the shame in this scenario.

[ Maybe you should lay off the brownies until after you post... ;) ]

- Ron
D11-ICRD

“Rape is the only crime in which the victim becomes the accused.” - Freda Adler

“By not coming forward (about rape), you make yourself a victim forever” - Kelly McGillis

crimeriddendump commented on Friday, Jan 11, 2013 at 22:23 PM

Hello Bull153,

This whole post irks of sexism. Regardless, it would be refreshing if for once would base your opinion on facts rather than imagined assumptions.

KarenPearsall commented on Friday, Jan 11, 2013 at 23:49 PM

Hello crimeriddendump, I understand your point, but just like Democrats, Republicans, and Independents, Tea Party advocates vary in degree of support for their cause. There are extremists in any political party who take adherence to party doctrine to the outer limits. I prefer not to tie Bull153 in with the Tea Party as a whole, or even Tea Party extremists. Instead, I think it is more productive to address his arguments and assertions directly and treat them as a reflection of only himself. Sincerely, Karen

crimeriddendump commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 00:13 AM

Hello KarenPearsall,

Fair enough. I can't help but notice the similarity of circumstance between his local and he national forum.

I also can't help but notice quotes such as this from the above: "victims are often blamed for what their perpetrators are responsible for. It is a common defense tactic, smear the victim." While not connected to violence against women, I find it odd that the commenter calls this "a shame in THIS scenario" [emphasis added] where the commenter uses this exact same tactic quite frequently himself. Most notably justifying the recent controversial MPD shooting by attacking the victim.

Blaming the victim is not only a shame in THIS scenario, it is a shame in ALL scenario*s.

KarenPearsall commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 00:47 AM

Hello Bull153, We have a different philosophy on the concept of self-improvement. While I do see the advantage of being content with one's self, I believe that a person benefits by trying to be a better version of himself or herself. Just as we all should be life-long learners, I think it is in our best interest to strive to recognize areas where we can improve, either professionally or in our personal lives. This recognition helps us grow in character. I have never met a "perfect person" who is above self-improvement of any kind. If you don't want to take the opportunity to reflect on your words or actions, that is your choice.
You make an illogical argument for repeatedly skills testing those under 25 years old, every three years, in order to renew their driver's licenses. Your reasoning is that "they lack experience and want to show off". But if a young driver has had his license for 3 years without accidents or incidents and thus has 3 years MORE driving experience than he had after first receiving his license, what is the sense in skill testing him again because of a supposed LACK of experience? The "logic" of your argument escapes me. Please do not whine and make yourself out to be the victim with the bogus charge: "If TheSovereign or LarryBaca had been writing these comments, no one would say a thing. It would be chalked up to sarcasm and satire". Actually, I did, at first, attribute your comments to sarcasm and ridicule, which I stated in my above post, but YOU insisted that you weren't joking. You could have just acknowledged that people have different tastes and senses of humor, much like preferences for a music genre or ice cream flavor, but you instead made a point that you were serious in your comments: "Sorry you think I was joking...I wasn't." NOW you complain that I can't appreciate your jesting, since apparently it was all 'tongue in cheek' after all. What? You say that "words matter", but you refuse to stand behind what you write or take responsibility for your OWN words preferring to invent excuses or totally deny what you JUST WROTE! The whole point about your "octogenarian comment" is that it lacks any meaningful credibility. You could just as well ridicule that woman for her sex as her age as in : "Women must think that they can get away with anything". That would be sexism rather than ageism, and it would lack the same logic as your original assertion. You have NO WAY of knowing that this woman's bad decision was a direct reflection of her age, but you went for the cheap joke rather than offer a serious commentary about the danger of ill-advised behavior involving guns. I don't find your latest examples of "humor" to be funny, so I think it best that I just avoid your future submissions. Sincerely, Karen

Bull153 commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 01:43 AM

@ KarenPearsall...

I learn things every day. I don't need to be told it is a shame if I chose not to treat every comment made as a life altering exercise in self-improvement. I take what I believe is of value and ignore what I don't. I think we all do. Life is an evolving set of experiences, we all learn things on a daily basis. What we do with that knowledge sets us apart as individuals.

There is nothing illogical in my contention that under age 25 drivers should be tested every three years. As I mentioned, drivers under age 25 and those over 65 have the most accidents. While you are right that every three years that pass are three years gained in experience, it seems they still have accidents at a higher rate. Skills testing forces young drivers to concentrate, and those that don't take advantage of each gained three years of experience should lose their license if they cannot perform at a safe level.

You know and I know there is nothing bogus about my comment that LarryBaca and TheSovereign get passes on their behavior. One only needs to look at their past comments to see that. I simply point it out. It's no big deal, just an observation.

It is not my fault in a blog of twenty-five or more comments that you miss the sarcasm. It happens all the time. I am not a professional comic, I am not as skilled as say Stephen Colbert, so forgive me. If you go back and read what I wrote I was clear, and I was not joking. I said "As for the brake/gas pedal controversy... far more elderly have committed that diving error than any other age group. Sorry you think I was joking... I wasn't. It is a fact of life." If you want to take that comment and apply it across the board, that is your gig. I was referring to a single point, but people often put words in my mouth and take what I say out of context.

I'm sorry about my sarcasm and humor. I do take responsibility for what I write, but I won't take responsibility for your misinterpretation. You said "The whole point about your "octogenarian comment" is that it lacks any meaningful credibility." EXACTLY! In a blog of twenty five or so insane comment you finally realize the point. If you think it better to avoid my 'humor and satire' fine. I'll miss our discussions.

- Ron
D11-ICRD

“Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive” - Unknown

“Satire dramatizes better than any other use of it, the inherent contradiction of free speech that it functions best when what is being said is at its most outrageous” - Tony Hendra

“Bitter the jest when satire comes too near truth and leaves a sharp sting behind it” - Publius Cornelius Tacitus

crimeriddendump commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 05:50 AM

Hello Bull153,

It should be clear to you now that EVERYONE is sick of your constant double talk and hypocrisy. Seems the only person how isn't is you. How many people will it take telling you that your double talk and hypocrisy are not welcome here before you care?

"You know and I know there is nothing bogus about my comment"

WRONG BULL153!!!! You THINK there is nothing wrong with your comment and KarenPearsall KNOWS your comment is wrong!!! You - again - seeming to have zero problem telling people what they think is unbelievably arrogant.

Again Bull153, the message seems clear - your double talk and hypocrisy are not welcome here. We would all like to see some actual intellectual honesty from you for a change. It would be great to have you post without the double talk, hypocrisy and failed "sarcasm" but you have so far refused. If you simply don't care being bothered to behave in a way this blog community finds acceptable, why not either act like you are going to "Australia" early or join canative62 in his magic land where people agree with him?

Seems like getting people to care about/agree with what you post is all you are really looking for anyway. Not rational discusion or sensible debate. If that is so, do yourself and others a favor and either grow up and stay here, or keep your immaturity and go away.

Bull153 commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 05:59 AM

The craziness and insanity continues...

A rumor has been started that using methamphetimines can cure the flu! Hey, proponents of medical marijuana tout its benefits, so why not meth? If you can smoke a doobie to ease your pain, I guess a dose of meth could clear up the flu. What's next, though. Will heroin cure baldness?
http://news.msn.com/rumors/rumor-meth...

There's a teacher in South Carolina who asked his students if the American flag was more than just a piece of cloth... then took it down to stomp on it in front of the students. Just the kind of guy I'd want brainwashing my kids. Sure, he has a right to his opinion... but not on school grounds in front of my kids. Where is stomping our flag a part of the approved curriculum?
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/09/sou...

Speaking of bad behavior, an employee of the Social Security Administration received a letter of reprimand for - hold your nose - passing gas! Seems this government worker has a lactose intolerance issue that his superiors were aware of, and causes the employee to create a hostile working environment for his coworkers within their cubicle workspaces. Instead of the reprimand, maybe the supervisor could have offered the individual some Beeno!
http://lifeinc.today.com/_news/2013/0...

French wine connoisseurs are taking President Obama's inaugural committee to task for their choice of beverage. In 2009, they selected a California grown Champagne to celebrate the President's taking office, and selected the same for this year's event. The French group is complaining that only sparkling wine grown in the Champagne region of France can be called 'Champagne'. Such snobs, those French!
http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?po...

Finally, a Somali pirate known as 'Big Mouth' has announced his is giving up the 'yo ho ho' lifestyle and retiring. Yep, he is calling it quits after scoring at least two major hijackings that netted him three million dollars in ransom each. Retiring? Perhaps it's because intervention by the world's navies has dropped pirate attacks significantly the past two years. "Warning: The Surgeon General has found that US Navy Seals can be hazardous to one's health"
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/20...

- Ron
D12-ICRD

“Our national drug is alcohol. We tend to regard the use any other drug with special horror.” - William S. Burroughs

“The average man will bristle if you say his father was dishonest, but he will brag a little if he discovers that his great-grandfather was a pirate.” - Bern Williams

rozemist commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 08:18 AM

I would like to know when did it become acceptable to tell other posters to "either post my way or leave the forum "
Is this what we really want here now! Only posters that agree with US?
Do we want to see people we disagree with "get out of the forum " read crimeriddendumps last comment and explain to me how this is right.
If this is what the forum is Now nobody would have to tell me to go I'll be gone, and gladly I wouldn't want to be apart of any forum where rules are everyone has to agree with your comments or "get lost ".
Sincerely, rozemist

rozemist commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 09:08 AM

@crimeriddendump
These statements "do yourself and others a favor and either grow up and stay here, or keep your immaturity and go away."
"why not either act like you are going to Australia" early or join canative62 in his magic land where people agree with him?" are a suggestion to another poster to post the way you think he should post or leave..where do you get the right to do this.because you don't like this poster ,or agree with his posts doesn't give you or me,or anyone the right to even insinuate he should leave or anyone else.
If he was being obscene,vulgar ,abusive or any of the other offenses that might qualify him to be "reported to the Bulletin" then that would be up to the Bulletin to ban him from posting, but all I've seen thus far is he posts and not everyone agrees with certain things he post.
I find that your constant personal obsessive comments directed towards this poster on every single blog are in fact very distracting to this forum ,so hard to sometimes ignore in fact that they often throw a "blog subject" completely out the window but have I told you "stop them or else just go away...." how would I dare to presume I even could do that.
Karen disagrees with the other poster on certain topics ,but they do it in a manner that is acceptable ,never once had she in anyway insinuated to the poster he leave,she simply chooses not to read what she doesn't like.
Why don't you follow Karen's example,before you start trying to believe you have any rights to tell others to leave this forum.
Sincerely,rozemist

44Magnum commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:26 AM

rozemist...

It is not acceptable to tell posters "It's MY way or the highway". That sounds like a petulant parent rather than a reasonable debater.

I do not think any of the regulars here accept that premise. I do not think the forum has become such a place. One outspoken individual cannot dictate how everyone else is to act, unless we allow it.

So I believe you and I will continue to make our reasoned comments. I believe we will discuss our differences. I believe we can all contribute to these forums.

There can only be a dictator if we allow it.

Cheers,
Randy

KarenPearsall commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Hello crimeriddendump, I hope that you will carefully consider rozemist's comments. It is extremely important to have a forum that is open to all, regardless of method or content of the postings (except those that clearly violate the forum standards). I believe that you are not one to champion censorship, so your suggestion for Bull153 to change his way of commenting or leave the forum seems misguided. Sometimes others' comments that we interpret as childish or demeaning ARE frustrating to deal with, but we can only offer counterpoints and highlight the absurdity or lack of logic in their arguments. Whether they choose to accept or learn from the experience is up to them. We can only control our own actions, not those of others. By offering well-reasoned counterpoints, we can present alternatives to behavior or comments that we disagree with or see as faulty. These counterpoints should stand on their own. When you cross over into suggesting that someone should leave the forum, that taints your own arguments with personal insult. I recognize that Bull153 and I view his blog in a different light. The simple solution for me is just not to continue to read his comments that contain his brand of "humor" which I find offensive. There are other blog choices I can participate in and I am sure that Bull153 and I can have civil discussions on other topics. But since we are at an impasse here, with no chance of compromise or movement forward, it is a waste of everyone's time, in my opinion, to continue to hash out non-productive debates. Sincerely, Karen

crimeriddendump commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 14:55 PM

Hello KarenPearsall,

The problem is that "well-reasoned counterpoints" are met with double talk, more hypocrisy, or just claiming of "sarcasm."It is pointless. The author of this blog clearly does not care what other think - he has said as much. So I question, why does he even bother.

It seems this Manteca forum is fine with hypocrisy and double talk but NOT OK with people who are against such behavior. Personally, I think the majority of the world is the exact opposite. Speaking of violating forum standards, how many more offensive or disingenuous comments does the author of this blog - or anyone - have to make before people here start to actually BELIEVE that "words matter" rather than just saying it.

Maybe that's the problem. Seems sexism, ageism, racism etc are all perfectly OK with Manteca. But, pointing out that behavior and saying "I don't want to see that" is somehow the most egregious thing possible.

Like I said before, seems many people here have some backwards morals.

KarenPearsall commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 16:18 PM

Hello crimeriddendump, I think it is unwise as well as unfair to generalize about Manteca as a whole ("Seems sexism, ageism, racism, etc. are all perfectly OK with Manteca"). There are over 67,000 residents of Manteca (I think). How many do you suppose even subscribe to the Bulletin in the city of Manteca, itself? I have heard the subscription numbers are 5,000 or less, including Lathrop and Ripon. This number may not be completely accurate, but it serves to illustrate the point that the Bulletin IS NOT widespread throughout Manteca and the regular forum participants can be counted on two hands. Whatever comments or attitudes you receive on this forum should not be extrapolated to the greater Manteca population. I agree with you that hypocrisy, double talk, and excuses are not ideal qualities or tactics to further a serious discussion. But constantly harping on one poster's faults DOES tend to alienate some readers. You, of course, can act as you see fit. However, I wanted to share this with you, if it could be of any help. I find that when I take issue with the offerings of Bull153, after making my rebuttal points, I try not to dwell on the subject too long. Already in this blog, I see myself unintentionally coming across as lecturing or even hectoring, when I merely wanted to point out a flaw in his comments that I thought Bull153 was either unaware of or overlooking. Apparently he just doesn't care, which is also his right and his choice. I don't like to get bogged down in constantly criticizing someone personally, but prefer to try to stay on topic. If I get sidetracked into trying to change someone, even for the supposed betterment of this forum, it often only results in frustration and a waste of time (and forum space) for me. I don't know if my experience is anything you can relate to or not, but I thought I would offer it for your consideration. Sincerely, Karen

rozemist commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 16:32 PM

"Backward morals"
This is the second time that when someone disagrees with one poster that "morals" are brought into question somehow if you have a different view, you have questionable morals.
And then also included the City of Manteca also becomes suddenly ok with sexism,ageism,racism,all as listed above.
When I have a difference of opinion with someone I see it as simply I don't see it their way,they don't see it mine,I hardly think they are somehow "morally deficient"
or "morally backwards.
I do hope we are not all judging each other morals by our differences of views ..
Seem's you'd have to have abit more knowledge of someone personally one would think.
As for Manteca I think we have a nice little
City here it has it's flaws ,as everything does.
Nothing,and Know one is perfect.
I have faith that the Citizens of Manteca (as imperfect as we are)will find our own way to knowledge of what is important ,what is not,
what we are ok with and what we are not ok with without any one person trying to make us believe that if we believe differently we are morally challenged.Every person thinks and believes differently that is the beauty of individualism..
Sincerely,rozemist

crimeriddendump commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 18:46 PM

Hello KarenPearsall,

What would you do if you were walking down the street and a person was engaging in ageism and insulting or belittling an octogenarian? Would you quietly say "Stop" and then just walk away and say "Apparently he just doesn't care, which is also his right " if that person did not stop with abusing an elder? Just say "oh well, it's wrong to censor ageism" and then ignore it and all future cases of that abuse engaging in the same just wishing and hoping that simply ignoring it will have the power to make it go away?

So rozemist and now you are saying that trying to better the forum is wrong and hypocrisy, double talk, and lies are right? That is a backward morality. That is as backwards as walking away from a person abusing that octogenarian on the street and calling it "the beauty of individualism." I - and another poster here - call it the "worst qualities of" the same.

I really fundamentally don't understand how rozemist - and to a lesser extent you - can be so apathetic to such blatant wrong.

KarenPearsall commented on Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 21:52 PM

Hello crimeriddendump, Your example is comparing apples to oranges. Dealing with blatant ageism or bullying when physically confronted with such is quite different than having an ONGOING discussion or debate on this forum. If I faced someone bullying an elderly person while I was "walking down the street", I hope that I would have the courage of my convictions to say something that would dissuade such unacceptable behavior. However, I would definitely call for reinforcements (the police) if the insults or bullying escalated, as there are laws against elder abuse. But the forum is another matter. After several exchanges, hopefully civil ones, if I can see that the discussion is pretty much going around in circles, I do not see the need to belabor my point. You can call Bull153 a hypocrite all you want to, that is not going to change him. If you made your criticism more about what he actually says, the way he says it, and the tactics that he uses, instead of name-calling him, it might be more effective. When you point out instances where he is engaging in double talk and you support your assertions with concrete examples and details, these examples speak for themselves. There really is no need to continually cast aspersions on Bull153's character. Do you believe that someone can sometimes engage in less than stellar behavior and yet not be a "bad person"? I do.

Neither rozemist nor myself said that "trying to better the forum is wrong and hypocrisy, double talk, and lies are right". That is YOUR interpretation. I will let rozemist clarify her own comments, but as for me, I specifically agreed with YOU that these behaviors and actions should be avoided or challenged with counterpoints. Of course "trying to better the forum" is an admirable and worthy goal. The problem lies in your chosen methods to achieve this. Personally, I think that they are less than effective by making you seem obsessed with and vindictive towards Bull153, which tends to weaken some valid observations that you present. The most ironic thing is that he is the flip side of the same coin - many of his references to you show an equal obsession, stereotyping and inf*lexibility. Neither of you seems willing to cut the other any slack or acknowledge ANY valid argument that the other might make. I do NOT want to go down that road. I am not "apathetic" to "blatant wrong", but realize that I only have the power to do so much, then it is up to the other person. I DON'T want to get sucked into trying to "control" the behavior of anyone else. I think this discussion of Bull153's, rozemist's, yours, and my words have become a huge distraction. Again, I prefer to debate ideas, not character flaws. Sincerely, Karen

crimeriddendump commented on Sunday, Jan 13, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Hello KarenPearsall,

We are debating an idea here KarenPearsall. That idea is when is sexism, ageism , racism and other forms of bigotry acceptable and when is it not. I contented that it is NEVER acceptable. You seem to be contending that it is not OK in reality, but, it is kind of OK when written out in a public form.

Correcting ageism, sexism or racism written in these forums is not apples to the orages of physically stoping it. They are the exact same thing! Bull153 IS A HYPOCRITE! It is not name-calling, it is a FACT. Bull153 also has shown a major problem with sexism, ageism , racism and belittling of people of non-christian religious backgrounds.

When I see hypocrisy or sexism, ageism, or racism, ANYWHERE I try and stop it.

Maybe that is the major difference between me and you. I want to try and stop sexism, ageism , racism and other forms of hypocrisy. Sadly, it would seem you are more accepting of these evils than I ever have been.

Oh well, this forum is what you makes it. So far, seem you want to make it a haven for bigots and hypocrites.

rozemist commented on Sunday, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Hi Karen

I thought your comments to crimeriddendump were very well thought out ,and very clear in there meaning,and with good intention .
Like you I refuse to get bogged down in discussions that just go around in circles ,and apparently this one could possibly go on and on with what seems no possible solution ,so this will be my last comment on it.
I stand with my original comments (which seems to have opened this up) ,and believe that no person should have the right to dictate to others in this forum that you either post their way or leave..this was something that I feel very strongly about,for any member of the forum even the very person who believes they have the right to tell someone else to leave it.
It is hard to discuss or debate with anyone who appears to believe that if their opinions on issues "are not viewed in the same way" then you,me,or anyone becomes apathetic to ageism ,sexism ,bigotry,hypocrisy.
I believe you to be ABSOLUTELY NOT apathetic to ANY of the above,nor do I view myself that way.
The poster has a problem with understanding that others are also entitled to their opinions and it doesn't lessen them morally as an individual because their opinions are different.
So with that I now prefer to move on to something else this one has for me run its course.
Have a good day Karen..
Sincerely , rozemist

KarenPearsall commented on Sunday, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Hello rozemist, I think that I will follow your good example and bow out of this discussion also. The really unfortunate and ironic thing that crimeriddendump refuses to face is that his intolerant attitude very much mirrors Bull153's in that if someone doesn't agree with them then this person is somehow intellectually or morally deficient or lacks credibility, valued experience or "expertise". I think that both of them will resent this comparison, but I believe it is accurate. I completely support your contention that people should be treated with respect, even those with differing opinions than our own. What I seem not to have been able to clearly get across to crimeriddendump is that one can attack or refute someone else's ideas, arguments, opinions and assertions with logical rebuttals WITHOUT the need to personally belittle that poster's character. Arrogance comes in many forms and on many "sides", both liberal and conservative. How strange that two posters who obviously can't stand each other have so much in common. Although vastly different in outlook and opinions, they share an unfortunate tendency or attitude to summarily dismiss those with a different position or perspective. I have reached an impasse with both of them and so, like you, will just move on. Thank you for your comments. Sincerely, Karen

crimeriddendump commented on Sunday, Jan 13, 2013 at 13:06 PM

Hello rozemist and to a lesser extent KarenPearsall,

My position is that ageism ,sexism ,bigotry,hypocrisy are horrible. So, yes, I would say anyone who disagrees with that is BY DEFINITION apathetic to these issues.

I don't know why you keep insisting this is about opinions. It's not. It's about the proliferation of bigotry. Bigotry is not an opinion; it is - for lack of a better word - an illness I want to see bigotry abolished everywhere and clearly you don't care.

As before, so long as people allow ageism ,sexism ,bigotry,hypocrisy it will continue to thrive. It is no surprise to me now why Manteca has so many ageist ,sexist ,bogots and hypocrites; there are too many people in the area who simply don't care.

Sad is a major understatement.

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Jan 13, 2013 at 13:50 PM

@ rozemist;

I enjoy each post you make. Even when you take me to task, you do it with reason and soundness. You believe in what you post, and you stand behind them with conviction.

I hope that in the future when we post our comments, you never feel that it is pointless to continue the debate or discussion. We will never always agree, and there may be occasions when we will agree to disagree, but I hope my attitude doesn't shut down our interaction.

- Ron
D13-ICRD

“New opinions often appear first as jokes and fancies, then as blasphemies and treason, then as questions open to discussion, and finally as established truths.” - George Bernard Shaw

“Bigotry is the disease of ignorance, of morbid minds; enthusiasm of the free and buoyant, education and free discussion are the antidotes of both.” - Thomas Jefferson

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Jan 13, 2013 at 13:51 PM

@ KarenPearsall;

Like Rozemist, your posts are well thought out and clear. We have also had our contenscious moments, but I do respect your opinions and beliefs even when I disagree.

I may in fact resent some of your characterization, but I would never tell you that you were not allowed to have or post them. There are times when I fail to make clear my position. There are times when my attempts at humor and sarcasm are not appreciated. There are even times when I am flat out wrong. I try to make amends, but like you, I hold to my beliefs and opinions.

I sincerely hope that you don't feel the need to just ignore my comments in the future. I will continue to try and be a responsible blogger, and I will hold myself accountable for my words and actions. Just like rozemist, we will not always agree, and we will find ourselves at an impasse on a particular position. I hope you never feel that we are at a total impasse on everything.

- Ron
D13-ICRD

“Discussion is an exchange of knowledge; an argument an exchange of ignorance.” - Robert Quillen

“The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress.” - Joseph Joubert

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Jan 13, 2013 at 16:18 PM

In today's edition of insane and stupid news...

It pays to be a big TV personality. Washington DC authorities have decided not to file charges against NBC's David Gregory for his display of an illegal ammunition clip on TV. Sometime you can survive stupidity. I agree, I don't think he should have been charged, after all there was no criminal intent.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national...

Can you say 'Oops'? Some folks buy old dilapidated houses very cheaply to restore into their dream home. That's what one Detroit couple did. They paid $500 for a wreck of a home they were going to invest $8,000 in renovations upon to create a dream home. Imagine their surprise when they went to their new abode only to discover the city had demolished it along with 11 other nearby properties. As part of their urban revitalization program, Detroit city officials demolished the properties. Oops.
http://realestate.msn.com/blogs/liste...

There have been many useless studies done. You can add the University of Loughborough's sweat study to the list. They have determined that the back, and not the armpit, is the sweatiest part of the human body. This creates a whole new set of dilemmas for the average person. When something is foul, do we change the expression from "That's the pits" to "That's the back"?
http://bodyodd.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...

One way to reduce your clientele if you are a small cafe owner is to criticize your patron's lifestyle. It appears that one owner decided his opinion of same-sex couples outweighed his common sense so he presented them with his own little love note espousing his Christian viewpoint. Maybe he should change his sign to read "No shoes, No Shirt, Same sex, No service."
http://www.wcti12.com/news/Lesbian-co...

Finally, in the 'I am a complete idiot' department, a parent walked into his son's school in Texas and told two staff members "you're dead, and you're dead". While he never displayed a weapon, he did tell people he was a shooter. He claimed he was testing the school's security. I think they need to test this guy's mental health.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/...

- Ron
D13-ICRD

“It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful.” - Anton LaVey

crimeriddendump commented on Sunday, Jan 13, 2013 at 17:23 PM

Hello Bull153,

Regarding David Gregory, you take the OPPOSITE stance you have in the past. Before, you said " I don't think Mr. Gregory should go to jail, but I think he should pay a fine" WHICH IS IT?

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 02:08 AM

Bull is that going to be the joke from now on, I'm supposedly stoned 24/7 I guess(Even though I haven't smoked in weeks) so everything I say can just be ridiculed? Oh let's poke fun at his argument because he admits that he smokes weed occasionally. Seems pretty mature of you.

What I was saying is I find hypocritical for an American to criticize Indians in the way that you did. When events like this happen in India or Pakistan or other "developing" countries, we get a bunch of people who want to make comments on their cultures without noticing the giant plank in their eyes. Saying that she might have been treated better if she was a cow, haha funny Bull. Everywhere it seems to be the same, these foreigners are savages with a different religion and treat their women horribly. But what of America? People want to make that critique of India but ignore the reality of the situation here in America where a very sizable chunk of American women report that they have been sexually assaulted at some point in their lives.

I wasn't referencing that specific case, it was actually a different one:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/teen...

She was going to be charged with contempt when she spoke out against the bogus charges/gag order but since she spoke out against it, since it got publicity instead of being hushed up like they wanted it to, the boys got harsher punishment and the contempt charges were dropped. But I'd like to see some data suggesting America is #1 when it comes to justice systems. Considering Guantanamo, the fact that the POTUS says he can legally assassinate American citizens without a trial or giving us the reason why we did it, among other things I would really doubt we're #1 in this area.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 02:41 AM

Also I don't see what's really crazy about that Dutch politician saying we should pee in our showers. Is it really a issue that needs to be brought up, is it really going to change things much if we start pissing every time we're in the shower? No probably not, but he's not incorrect, it's not a crazy point, you will save some resources that way. I don't think he's saying only pee while you're in the shower but that if you're already in the shower and you have to pee, just do it in there. Perfectly valid.

Bull153 commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 02:53 AM

@ Capitalists_Nightmare...

No, it isn't going to be an ongoing joke. You are an advocate for marijuana and the way your post was written made it difficult to understand the point your were trying to make. I like to be sarcastic, and that was my intent. Maybe you were just tired. I poked fun at you, but don't expect it to be a continual thing. I made my point, that's it.

I was criticizing the Indian lawyer's actions, and I would have done the same for an American attorney. It is a sad and shocking case whether it was in New Delhi or New York. What was done to the Indian woman was savage and brutal and inexcusable. For the attorney there or anywhere else to blame the victim is atrocious. It did happen in India, and Indians revere their cows more that some humans. That was my point. Sarcasm intended.

You can claim what you want, but I would still take our justice system over anyone else's. Placing a gag order on a victim after a trial is ridiculous. Justice is not always perfect nor fair because it is administered by people, and people make mistakes. But it is still far better than anyone else's I'm familiar with.

The rules of war are quite different than civil justice. They allow the killing of enemy combatants without trial, even if they are American citizens. When you take up arms against your own country, you lose your rights as a citizen. Guantanamo Bay is a holding facility for enemy combatants. They are prisoners of war and treated as such.

Our laws are not perfect. Our system is not perfect. But it is far better than anyone else's.

- Ron
D13-ICRD

“Lawyers as a group are no more dedicated to justice or public service than a private public utility is dedicated to giving light.” - David Melinkoff

“It is certain, in any case, that ignorance, allied with power, is the most ferocious enemy justice can have.” - James Arthur Baldwin

Bull153 commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 03:22 AM

Food headlines today's weird and wacky news...

When that midnight craving strikes and there's no 7-11 around, technology has the answer - vending machines. It seems that Japan with its crowded urban lifestyle has the most machines, but perhaps not the strangest. In Italy, you can get a fresh pizza, in the US a fresh pecan pie. Japan has vending machines for beer, bread, eggs, and rice. Isn't technology wonderful?
http://www.delish.com/food-fun/unusua...

On the subject of food, the Girl Scouts are releasing a new cookie that is chock full of vitamins. Designed to encourage those who are not on such a health diet to get their dose of vitamins, the cream filling for these treats have been infused with what's good for you, as well as what tastes good to you...
http://www.abcsmartcookies.com/new-ma...

The Georgia DMV could learn a thing or two from their counterparts at the California DMV. It seems Georgia has a hit and miss system for approval of vanity plates. California's guidelines would prevent the confusion Georgians face when a plate that reads S0SEXY1 is allowed but MSSEXI is not. HVYGUNS was rejected but 1BIGGUN is acceptable. Go figure...
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/georgia-...

Finally, I tend to ignore anything involving Lindsey Lohan. In my opinion she is a sad, worthless, and spoiled brat. If there is a way to be ignorant, she will find it from flashing obscenities on her fingernails to a judge to lying to the police about her driving. I was surprised that her 'Liz and Dick' co-star stood up for her - sort of. It was far from a ringing endorsement of her behavior.
http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?new...

- Ron
D14-ICRD

"I've always been a Girl Scout Thin Mint Cookie guy with the occasional Samoa on the side. Do-si-dos are the shiz". - Jake Owen

“The insolence of wealth will creep out” - Samuel Johnson

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 03:54 AM

Have you taken the time to look at other justice systems?

But the case getting most attention of Obama killing US citizens, I can't spell the name but the guy wasn't a fighter, he wasn't planning attacks that we know of, his job was basically to run an Al-Qaeda propaganda website. He was killed in a drone strike in Pakistan. His son, a minor and a US citizen, was targeted a day or two later by a drone strike killing him. When asked about the killing of a US citizen who was a minor without even a trial Gibb's said that he shouldn't have had such a bad father. Obama was pushed on the legality of the killings of these US citizens. His answer was that it was legal but that the legal reasoning behind it was a state secret, the reasoning behind targeting these US citizens one of whom was a minor was also a state secret.

As for Guantanomo, remember all the people who spent years in that hell hole without a trial, without being charged, and they were completely innocent of any wrongdoing. AKA, they weren't prisoners of war. There is much contention whether they could even be considered POW's, there have been many court rulings that seem to contradict one another. If they are enemy combatants and POW's they wouldn't have the same rights that Americans have. Yet the Supreme Court has ruled that Guantanomo detainees were entitled to the same protections under the constitution, that they had the right to challenge their charges in civilian courts.

How can you call this the most fair system of justice when it's like we're stuck in some sort of limbo between what is and isn't legal(and if it's illegal we just kind of brush it off).

crimeriddendump commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Hello Capitalists_Nightmare,

It is clear that some posters here are just sexist and really don't care about women at all. They only reason this was brought up was to use the case to further express his RACISM and RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY toward people of another culture. I find the display here disgusting. Too bad other's on this form call it " the beauty of individualism."

How many more time will this poster say he will not insult and demean on only to disingenuously go right back to his insulting ways in 10 min later? How many more bits of hypocrisy will he spew before people finally say STOP?

Bull153 commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:15 AM

@ Capitalists_Nightmare...

I know that there is controversy over the drone program. I know that some people object to the collateral deaths and injuries associated with these strikes. Two Americans were targeted, but hundreds of terrorists have been eliminated through the use of drone strikes. I'm not privy to the intelligence that the President and the military has in relation to the drone strikes. But they have been held as legal or we wouldn't be doing them. Again, remember we are at war with these terrorists.

As for Guantanamo, there have been con_flicting rulings. There have also been con_flicting rulings on legal issues in the US. That is why there are state appeal courts, state supreme courts, federal appellate courts and the US Supreme Court. The people at Guantanamo are a danger to our country or they wouldn't be there. For every one who is claiming to be innocent, there are ten who want to die trying to kill us. Many of those who were released from Guantanamo subsequently went back to Iraq and Afghanistan to attack coalition forces. Many of those died, saving us the problem of shipping them back to Guantanamo. We are at war with terrorism, and terrorists should not have rights afforded to American citizens.

I said ours is the most fair system given the alternatives. I never said it was perfect. I certainly would take our system over the ones in Russia, China, Iran, or anywhere else. Our justice system is not perfect. I never said it was.

- Ron
D14-ICRD

“Terrorist attacks can shake the foundations of our biggest buildings, but they cannot touch the foundation of America. These acts shatter steel, but they cannot dent the steel of American resolve.” - Unknown

“We should have learnt by now that laws and court decisions can only point the way. They can establish criteria of right and wrong. And they can provide a basis for rooting out the evils of bigotry and racism. But they cannot wipe away centuries of oppression and injustice / however much we might desire it.” - Hubert H. Humphrey

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 15:10 PM

It's not just the "collateral damage", I mean we targeted a minor US citizen. He wasn't near his father at a wedding when it happened he was targeted in a different strike and we can't be given any reasons why, everything is a secret. And you think it must be legal or he wouldn't be doing it? We live in America, have you studied our history? COINTELPRO? Some of the tactics used to suppress the labor movement. You should be a little skeptical when the legal reasoning behind assassinating US citizens when the president tells us that the legal reasoning is a state secret that he can't tell to anybody. How are you supposed to challenge our actions through the system when everything is kept a secret?

A danger to our country or they wouldn't be there? A dude living in Europe visited Afghanistan where he originally migrated from and was picked up by our guys and sent to Guantanomo. There he was tortured(which was illegal, but again, best justice system in the world right) and imprisoned for years before we finally apologized to him and sent him back to (I think he lived in) Germany. Was he a danger? No.

But would you blame anybody who was unfairly imprisoned and tortured for years to join anti-American forces when they get back to Iraq or Afghanistan? Would you not hate the US with a passion? Try to think for just a second like you're in their shoes. We can't charge them for anything in a civilian or military court, we waste what may be years of their lives, torture them, and then say sorry, wrong guy, and drop them back off in war torn Iraq/Afghanistan.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 15:48 PM

Given the alternatives I would rather be tried and convicted in some Western European country, not America. But just keep chanting Bull, we're #1, we're #1! Obviously much better than a real conversation. The same thing conservatives were doing during the healthcare debate, we're #1, we're #1 *is ranked like #30 or something*

Bull153 commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 17:06 PM

@ Capitalists_Nightmare...

Look, I'm not privy to the intelligence used in determining the actions we take. I know from experience that in war mistakes are made. I know things are done that otherwise would not be.

You are asking me to justify an incident of which I have no first hand knowledge. There are intelligence matters that must be kept secret for good reason. I may be skeptical of some things, but I still trust that actions such as drone strikes are carried out based on valid reasons. Intelligence information has been secret in con*flicts as long as there have been con*flicts.

I said mistakes are made. One guy out of hundreds. It happens. It doesn't mean everyone else is not a threat, not a danger. As for motivation, many things motivate terrorists. Bad treatment is no excuse.

I contend that our judicial system is better than anyone else's. You don't. That's fine with me. If you want to be tried in another contry all you have to do is move there. No one is stopping you. I personally have no problem with ours. I worked within it for many years. I am satisfied that even with mistakes, it is better than anyone else's. If that is cheerleading, fine. In matters of a judicial nature, "We're #1!"

- Ron
D14-ICRD

“A prisoner of war is a man who tries to kill you and fails, and then asks you not to kill him.” - Winston Churchill

“No civilization would ever have been possible without a framework of stability, to provide the wherein for the flux of change. Foremost among the stabilizing factors, more enduring than customs, manners and traditions, are the legal systems that regulate our life in the world and our daily affairs with each other.” - Hannah Arendt

crimeriddendump commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 17:23 PM

Hello Bull153,

Your OPINION does not usurp actual EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE!!!

According to the World Justice Project, the United States ranks 24th out of 29 high income countries in terms of Criminal Justice and 19th out of 29 in terms of Civil Justice. As Capitalists_Nightmare rightly estimates " ranked like #30 or something"

Further, compare that the United States has more people in prison than ANYWHERE else in the world with 2.6 MILLION people incarcerated. The United States has less than five percent of the world's population. But it has almost a quarter of the world's prisoners. China's prison population is a DISTANT second at 1.6 million incarcerated when their population is almost five times that of the United States!

In matters of a judicial nature, "We're #1!" Yes, #1 police state in the world! Not good for justice, but, good for police! Especially small town police that want to get away with hunting down and killing people in their own driveway in front of their wife.

Ramrod commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 19:25 PM

I gave up on Lindsey Lohan a long time ago. I got tired of tracking every stupid thing she did. The Hollywood elite is well known for being slefish and self-centered, but Lindsey Lohan takes it to a whole new level.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 19:44 PM

Bull this isn't just one person, there have been more than 700 prisoners in Guantanomo since we started doing this in 2002, 600 have been released with no charges brought against them. That's justice!? According to Jimmy Carter about half of the people still there have been cleared for released but won't within the foreseeable future!

With or without bad treatment the people of Iraq and Afghanistan have the right to resist American imperialism and occupation of their country, however kidnapping innocent people who are not even in the fight tends to push those people to choose to fight us, that should be pretty obvious.

When I get on a computer later I'll talk about drone strikes, typing from my phone is annoying.

crimeriddendump commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 20:21 PM

Hi Capitalists_Nightmare,

It's difficult to have a meaningful conversation with someone that invents new personalities just to have someone agree with him.

Bull153 commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 22:58 PM

@ Capitalists_Nightmare...

I'm not sure what you want. I don't know how many people have been detained at or released from Guantanamo Bay. For more than ten years enemy combatants and those suspected of terrorist activities have been held there. I believe the actions were taken in the best interest of our country. I already told you mistakes were made. One mistake - a hundred mistakes, I don't know.

You can debate all you want about the whys and the wherefores of our military activities in Iraq and Afghanistan. I held certain beliefs in the beginning, and as things progressed I changed my mind on some.

You are talking to someone who spent a considerable portion of my adult life in the military dealing up close and personal with the decisions of our government on military actions overseas. At my level I didn't debate why we were invading Panama, I was given an assignment and I did it. I wasn't worried about the Cuban prisoners we escorted back to be repatriated attacking us again, we put them back on Cuban soil.

I can't justify certain drone strikes. I don't have access to the intelligence and the decision making process. I said before, we make mistakes. That happens in war. If you want me to agree with you that what happened to some of the detainees was wrong, OK, it was wrong. If you want me to agree that military activity in Afghanistan breeds a hatred of Americans, I agree. If you want me to say that sometimes justice is unjust, it is.

My point is simply this. We do what we feel is necessary to protect and defend the US and its citizens. We do the best we can.

- Ron
D14-ICRD

“We make war that we may live in peace.” - Aristotle

“The purpose of all wars...is peace.” - Saint Augustine

crimeriddendump commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 23:18 PM

"We do what we feel ... "

Seems to sum it up pretty well. "Feel" not know. Also, most of these wars ar not "to protect and defend the US and its citizens" they are to in*flate the accounts of government contractors and fuel the continuing government industrial complex.

Why am I safer because the US ILLEGALLY invaded Panama, or because the US used lies and depict to invade Iraq? I could probably argue the exact OPPOSITE is true; actual citizens are in danger because of the corporate greed and the blood-lust of the ignorant.

crimeriddendump commented on Monday, Jan 14, 2013 at 23:46 PM

Also, justice is NEVER unjust . If it is, it in's't justice, it is just some hypocritical mockery of justice.

The United States is WELL BEHIND the rest of the world in justice. Both home and abroad ...

crimeriddendump commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 01:52 AM

Have you heard about the infant born with a handgun
Shot his twin brother coming out now he's an only son
He's a good boy, wait and see

Hey St. Augustine
There's a flaw you see
You've reasoned quite
Illogically

- Rob

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 02:06 AM

Like crimriddendump said "feel" instead of know. Follow orders without thinking, that seems to be the logic, submit to authority because they're right(Usually, mistakes are made, whatever), etc. Sorry but well behaved slaves don't go down in history Bull, they don't stop wars, they don't make justice happen. Mistakes were made? A vast majority of people(600 out of 779. That's 77% of the people being detained then released with no charges against them. And there are still people there set to be released but who won't in the foreseeable future) sent to that hell hole were INNOCENT! George Bush even knew they were innocent but did not want to release them at the time because he thought it would hurt the push for a war with Iraq and more generally the War on Terror. Imagine that, you're taken away to a prison and when they realize you're innocent they keep you there because it's not politically convenient for Bush and Cheney. Is it in my interest? Is it in your interest? No, it was in Bush's interest, in his agenda's interest. An agenda that was unjust that was carried out by unjust means.

You call yourself a patriot, but you don't speak out against the injustices in American society or the injustices that we perpetrate against other people's, you sit here and defend them. You call our system the most just in the world when I will go to prison for having a pound of weed and top bankers at HSBC will not go to prison for money laundering for drug cartels, Al-Qaeda, Iran, and others. I will get terrorism charges for saying John Moody deserves 50 shots to the dome, while others destroy whole countries who never attacked us or were planning on it. You talk about justice! Look around you Bull.

Bull153 commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 03:26 AM

The insanity continues...

A policeman in Washington DC is on trial for shooting his mistress to death and leaving their infant inside a hot car until the infant died. He pled not guilty, but if the evidence supports the charges and he is convicted, I hope he gets the needle. It is bad enough to violate the public's trust, but to commit such horrendous crimes is inexcusable.
http://news.msn.com/us/dc-cop-left-ch...

I don't care for Lady Gaga, her songs, or her weird and wacky wardrobes. Her meat dress was outrageous enough, but she appeared in her first concert since the Newtown tragedy wearing a bra with two plastic machine guns pointing out. I don't know what point she was trying to make, but I think it was the most ridiculous and stupid thing I've ever seen.
http://music.msn.com/music/article.as...

A California company is hoping to score big with their pot dispensing vending machines. Set for the markets in Washington and Colorado, folks can grab a little week 24/7 at their local vending spot. Hum, one thing - the way people pilfer from newspaper stands, I wonder how long it will be before they are broken into and the whole stash grabbed...
http://healthyliving.msn.com/blogs/da...

Speaking of pot, there's a study from August 2012 that claims marijuana permanently lowers adolescent IQs by several points. Sounds like a good reason for youngsters to avoid weed. Well, a new study just released contradicts that study and claims that other factors besides pot could explain lower IQs. Pot, dope, booze... I guess any of those could affect someone's IQ. In my opinion, people who illegally smoke pot must have a low IQ or they wouldn't do it. But read the article and decide for yourselves...
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/...

- Ron
D15 - ICRD

"There is no sin worse than violating the public's trust." - Unknown

"I'm not going to deny the fact that I've tried pot. I hated it." - Lindsay Lohan

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 03:37 AM

"In my opinion, people who illegally smoke pot must have a low IQ or they wouldn't do it."

Again, I'd like to introduce you to my friend, Carl Sagan. You do know who Carl Sagan is right?

crimeriddendump commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Hello Capitalists_Nightmare,

It seems pretty clear that Bull153 is a bigot regarding this issues and he clearly refuses to listen to facts or pay attention to reality. His mind is made up based solely on his imagination.

I almost guarantee he ignores your point here just as he seems to completely ignore that ALCHOL is linked to far more mental debilitation than marijuana and is also highly toxic - unlike marijuana.

It really is sad when people feel their imagined reality is more accurate than accutal reality. Oh well ...

crimeriddendump commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Hello Bull153,

You must have only read the headline of the article you posted regarding IQ of marijuana users and just used your imagination to fil in the details. The Duke University Study cited in the article from LAST YEAR!

After further review, researchers "analyzed the same survey results and found that the declines in cognitive abilities could be entirely attributed to socioeconomic factors. As a result, “the true effect” of marijuana use, he argues, “could be zero.” "

Further, "a 2002 Canadian study that also asked whether long-term marijuana use impacted IQ, but with data entirely from middle-class survey participants. Since that study largely excluded socioeconomic factors and did not find a permanent trend, he feels that it supports his argument that such factors play a major role."

Here are the sources:
http://www.frisch.uio.no/main_eng.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11...
http://goo.gl/dPfA6

Bull153 commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 14:05 PM

@ Capitalists_Nightmare...

I see that sarcasm isn't your strong suit either. I do know who Carl Sagan is. I also know of many, many responsible and smarter people than I am who have tried or smoked pot.

Just because someone is against something doesn't necessarily mean they don't understand it. It simply means they don't agree with your position.

so, sue me...

- Ron
D15-ICRD

"Sarcasm doesn't translate in print at all." - Megan Fox

"Neither irony or sarcasm is argument." - Samuel Butler

crimeriddendump commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 15:12 PM

Hello Bull153,

Every time you get called out on making a horrible or being incredibly hypocritical comment you ALWAYS come back with claiming "sarcasm."

How many times now have you said you would drop the sarcasm and disingenuous comments only to come right back with more of the same? It becoming VERY difficult to believe anything you say anymore as it seems to always be double talk, hypocrisy, or suposed "sarcasm"

Your whole act is really starting to get old. Drop it already -and actually mean it this time.

Friendo commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 19:00 PM

crimeriddenhypocrite...Give it a rest...PLEASE!!!

Ramrod commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 23:03 PM

Lindsey Lohan didn't even show up in court today. Her mouthpiece entered 'not guilty' pleas for her. What a surprise. Now she is someone who could leave this country and no one would miss her.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 23:57 PM

I fail to see the sarcasm anywhere. Your stated opinion is that marijuana is bad, that it shouldn't be legal, you've picked fun at people who consume it numerous times suggesting their mental capacities are inferior, why is this time any different? If it really was sarcasm(doubtful), it has strayed away from everything I've seen you say about people who smoke pot.

So sue you for what? Didn't we already establish that nobody here is trying to censor you? And I like how you just totally ignored my other post, I'll copy and paste it below just in case you missed it.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 23:59 PM

Like crimriddendump said "feel" instead of know. Follow orders without thinking, that seems to be the logic, submit to authority because they're right(Usually, mistakes are made, whatever), etc. Sorry but well behaved slaves don't go down in history Bull, they don't stop wars, they don't make justice happen. Mistakes were made? A vast majority of people(600 out of 779. That's 77% of the people being detained then released with no charges against them. And there are still people there set to be released but who won't in the foreseeable future) sent to that hell hole were INNOCENT! George Bush even knew they were innocent but did not want to release them at the time because he thought it would hurt the push for a war with Iraq and more generally the War on Terror. Imagine that, you're taken away to a prison and when they realize you're innocent they keep you there because it's not politically convenient for Bush and Cheney. Is it in my interest? Is it in your interest? No, it was in Bush's interest, in his agenda's interest. An agenda that was unjust that was carried out by unjust means.

You call yourself a patriot, but you don't speak out against the injustices in American society or the injustices that we perpetrate against other people's, you sit here and defend them. You call our system the most just in the world when I will go to prison for having a pound of weed and top bankers at HSBC will not go to prison for money laundering for drug cartels, Al-Qaeda, Iran, and others. I will get terrorism charges for saying John Moody deserves 50 shots to the dome, while others destroy whole countries who never attacked us or were planning on it. You talk about justice! Look around you Bull.

Bull153 commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Here are Wednesdays silly and crazy reports...

If you are planning a trip to the UK, you may want to stick with traditional fare and avoid hamburgers. There have been several cases where horsemeat has been discovered in their hamburger meat, resulting in a recall of the affected items. I'd stick with fish & chips if I were you.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/20...

Speaking of travel, if you are planning to fly, you may want to check out what type of aircraft you'll be in. Two Japanese airlines have grounded their fleet of the new Boeing 787 Dreamliner due to safety concerns with batteries and smoke in the aircraft. Several US carriers also use the plane, so I'd stick with more reliable Boeing aircraft like the 757 or 767 for now.
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/boein...

A California schoolteacher has lost her appeal to return to the classroom. She was terminated when it was discovered she was a former porn star. Even though she had quit that profession well before she began her teaching career, the arbitrator felt that the availability of her films created an atmosphere that prevented her for being an effective teacher. Another case where life choices can reach up and bite you in the fanny.
http://news.msn.com/us/teacher-with-p...

Wal-mart has agreed to hire 100,000 veterans. They require that the prospective employee has left the service within the last year and has an honorable discharge. Hmmmmm... what about all those veterans without jobs from two or three years ago? Or the ones that have medical or general discharges because of wounds and PTSD? Nice gesture, Wally-world.
http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?po...

The NRA's membership has blossomed by some 250,000 members since the Sandy Hook tragedy and the administrations efforts to ban guns. I have some philosophical differences with the NRA. but I still believe they are a valuable organization regarding safety and education with firearms. Maybe they'll hit another million members by the end of the year?
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2...

- Ron
D16-ICRD

“Fairness is what justice really is.” - Potter Stewart

Bull153 commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 13:05 PM

@ Capitalists_Nightmare...

One can be sarcastic about one's beliefs and still hold those beliefs. I can make fun of you and your pot brownies and still believe that marijuana should not be legalized.

As for your other post, I didn't miss it, I ignored it. I have said all I intend to on the matter, I was pretty clear on my last post. I'll copy and paste it in case you missed it.

---I'm not sure what you want. I don't know how many people have been detained at or released from Guantanamo Bay. For more than ten years enemy combatants and those suspected of terrorist activities have been held there. I believe the actions were taken in the best interest of our country. I already told you mistakes were made. One mistake - a hundred mistakes, I don't know.

You can debate all you want about the whys and the wherefores of our military activities in Iraq and Afghanistan. I held certain beliefs in the beginning, and as things progressed I changed my mind on some.

You are talking to someone who spent a considerable portion of my adult life in the military dealing up close and personal with the decisions of our government on military actions overseas. At my level I didn't debate why we were invading Panama, I was given an assignment and I did it. I wasn't worried about the Cuban prisoners we escorted back to be repatriated attacking us again, we put them back on Cuban soil.

I can't justify certain drone strikes. I don't have access to the intelligence and the decision making process. I said before, we make mistakes. That happens in war. If you want me to agree with you that what happened to some of the detainees was wrong, OK, it was wrong. If you want me to agree that military activity in Afghanistan breeds a hatred of Americans, I agree. If you want me to say that sometimes justice is unjust, it is.

My point is simply this. We do what we feel is necessary to protect and defend the US and its citizens. We do the best we can.---

You make a lot of claims you don't back up. I don't accept all of your statements as factual. We'll let those who read this decide. I'm done.

- Ron
D16-ICRD

“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.” - Stuart Chase

crimeriddendump commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 13:32 PM

"I didn't miss it, I ignored it."

EXACTLY!!! That's what they do! You make up their mind based on assumptions, prejudice, and imagination and IGNORE anything that does not reconcile nicely with the established preconceptions.

Pretty much the definition of obstinance right there. Sad.

If someone just wants to declare points and dosen't care to listen or discuss anything with anyone that does not 100% agree with a specific bias, I wonder why that person even bothers posting here?

Friendo commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 13:46 PM

You constantly do it and clearly still feel free to keep posting here, so Waaaazzzzz Up wit Dat? Grow up!

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 17:08 PM

No you can't be sarcastic about your position, in this case sarcasm would entail that it's not really your position. Maybe it's hyperbole or something like that but otherwise I think you misunderstand what sarcasm means.

But it's good to know that you just ignore the injustices that are there and just go on willfully ignorantly believing America is #1. Yeah just brush it all aside, when it keeps happening over and over again just ignore it, dont try and stop it. That's some real faux patriotism for you. It shouldn't really surprise me considering you are a retired cop and soldier though.

Bull153 commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 18:27 PM

@ Capitalists_Nightmare...

Don't presume to tell me what I can or can't be. That's ridiculous on its face. I know what sarcasm is, you just choose not to get it.

It is only your opinion that I ignore injustice. When you get to be my age and have had the life experiences I've had, then I may start to believe some of what you say. Meanwhile you are nothing but an idealistic individual with perceptions that don't equate with reality. Insulting my patriotism and my service does not fortify your position or give it any credibility. Like I said, I'm done.

- Ron
D16-ICRD

“There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other.” - Douglas H. Everett

crimeriddendump commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 18:27 PM

Hello Capitalists_Nightmare,

EXACTLY!!! It is just hyperbole, I have been saying as so for a long, long time. Great to see someone else ACTUALLY BELIEVES that "words matter" enough to care what some of them - like sarcasm - actually mean.

Regardless, it reminds me of something ...

"That's where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up. Now, I know some of you are going to say, "I did look it up, and that's not true." That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that's how our nervous system works ... I give people the truth, unfiltered by rational argument."

Too bad what is going on with these forms is neither satire, nor sarcasm; just sad reality.

Friendo commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 19:04 PM

What is going on in these blogs is your intentional distortion of facts simply because you find disagreement with the opinion of others. MHoffmanocchio, maybe someday you will finally grow up.

crimeriddendump commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 20:00 PM

Hello Friendo,

First, you are being hypocritical with your attempted name-calling and then asking someone - who is not me - to "grow up." The irony here is astounding!

Care to share some actual examples? Capitalists_Nightmare has provided specific example of what he is arguing against. I provide some specific examples when I take issue with a post. Can you do the same?

Come on, I'm sure YouCanDoIt!!

KarenPearsall commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 21:38 PM

Hello Bull153, The definition of sarcasm is: "remarks that mean the opposite of what they seem to say and are intended to mock or deride". While the intention of your comments about those who "illegally smoke pot" and the supposed correlation of "low IQ" is definitely mocking and deriding, you claim that you can be sarcastic while still espousing and supporting those same stated opinions or beliefs. But Capitialists_Nghtmare is right - you CAN'T. In order for your comments to really fit the definition of sarcasm, you would actually have to believe that illegal pot smoking demonstrated one's superior intelligence. In past posts, you have made it quite clear that is NOT what you think. To correctly use sarcasm to get your point across, you would need to write something along the lines of, "Pot smokers are so admirable and intelligent and are obviously productive members of society whose smoking habits benefit and enrich the lives of all they come in contact with and affect." Do you see the difference here? This is a mocking opinion which is clearly the OPPOSITE of your true perspective. Read some of Friendo's past posts for examples - he knows how to effectively use sarcasm to underscore his point. You owe Capitalists_Nightmare an apology, but instead choose to ridicule him for correctly and accurately identifying what sarcasm IS and ISN'T. The term that more aptly applies to your "humorous" comments is "disdainful" which is defined as "extreme contempt or disgust with something or somebody, to regard as not worthy of respect". Speaking of that, how do you justify disdainfully mocking Capitalists_Nightmare ("When you get to be my age and have had the life experiences I've had... Meanwhile you are nothing but an idealistic individual with perceptions that don't equate with reality"), but take such offense when he mirrors YOUR OWN behavior and makes an insulting reference to your military/police background? If HIS insult "does not fortify (his) position or give it any credibility" why do you not hold YOURSELF to the SAME standards? I actually agree with you about the ineffectiveness and corrosive nature of personal insults, but YOU are just as culpable as him. As for your "age and experience" comment, although life experiences can most assuredly teach us important lessons and help us grow, just living longer does not necessarily make one wiser than those more youthful (hence the well-worn expression, "There is no fool like an old fool"). Also, I admire the idealism, passion, and boldness of youth which we of more "seasoned" ages would do well to remember, if it is not always possible to emulate. Sometimes life has a way of making us more cynical or skeptical or unwilling to adapt to changes and new exciting ideas. I believe that all generations have much to learn from each other. Myopically staying in our own little age bracket, refusing to acknowledge the accomplishments or potential of others, only diminishes us. Sincerely, Karen

crimeriddendump commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 23:32 PM

Hello KarenPearsall,

Reminds me of a much nicer way of saying what I have been saying for a long, long time. Perhaps your post will be a wakeup call for the poster you discuss to ACTUALLY change his ways rather than just saying it.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 02:03 AM

It's my opinion that you ignore injustice? Really? Literally your response to people being wrongfully imprisoned for years and tortured was "it happens". Or was that to the targeted killing of American minors by drone strikes? It happens(not even a mistake btw). Well at least I can go to bed at night knowing my government can target and kill younger members of my family and the only reason given will be "shouldn't have had a bad dad" and people won't even blink an eye, it happens. America is fueling hatred for Americans abroad for the interests of capitalists, yet the patriotic American is the one that stands behind the authority of our brave men and women who will go die for those imperialist interests. That's not my interests, it's not in the majorities interests.

When I get to your age you'll probably be dead, this is just an ageist cop-out. You won't start to believe something because I'm not your age? How close-minded and ignorant is that? Shut off your mind to new information because I haven't lived as long as you have? These events I'm talking about aren't things that are opinions, I'm talking about factual events that have happened, that are backed up by people that have had higher ranks in the military then you, higher ranks in the government, worked inside administrations(a lot of whom are probably older than you). What's debatable is the position that you're willing to take concerning events that have happened. By the looks of it you don't even know about half of the crap I'm referencing but you want to talk to me like I'm the ignorant one.

I don't think I'm the idealist here. Let's get rid of homelessness. Impossible task? There are more than double, more than triple, more than quadruple(!), the amount of vacant homes than there are homeless. I don't even know if figures I see include empty buildings that weren't homes but that could be used as homes. There shouldn't be a single person that starves in this world, let alone a single child that is hungry in the richest country on Earth. Yet 1 in 4 children face hunger and around 10 million people die from starvation each year worldwide. This is on the planet where we produce enough food to feed every single human being and then some, but we throw away half of the food we do produce(http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/10/half-world-food-waste). But I'm the idealist. I could go on but I'll spare your mind which obviously finds it hard to accept new information. We have the means to do wonderful things but we're held back by a system that creates everything for a selfish reason, a reason that is detrimental to the majority of the worlds population now. Capitalism used to be progressive, but now it's just a sinking boat taking us all down with it. The rich aren't going to survive, America isn't going to survive.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 02:09 AM

Karen what you said reminds me of one of my all time favorite quotes by Marx, "Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living."

And crimeruddendump when you put that quote about the truth and your gut I literally thought it was something Bull said. I was reading his comment on my phone and I looked up for a second and when I looked down I kept reading at that paragraph because that's where I thought I left off at without realizing it was your comment. Which is kind of sad because I wasn't surprised by it, I could totally see him saying it.

crimeriddendump commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 02:47 AM

Esteban Colberto said that. I know so because I looked it up ... in my gut!

Bull153 commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 13:39 PM

Here are today's tidbits...

In Portland, a woman was rescued by the Fire Department after spending some three hours trapped in an eight inch gap between an apartment building and a parking garage. What she was doing on the roof has not been confirmed, but the Lieutenant who was part of the Fire Department's rescue team said the lady did admit to being out at 3:45 am smoking. Maybe she was having a terrible nicotine fit, but I suspect from her giggly happy demeanor when she was rescued, it was something else she was smoking.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/...

An Australian grandmother has been banned from dialing 0-0-0 (the equivalent of 9-1-1) after making some 1000 bogus calls over a five year period. A family member is allowed to call on her behalf.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2...

A representative from Texas is vowing to author legislation making it a crime for any federal official to enforce federal law or executive order limiting Texan's ownership of semi-automatic firearms. If states can legalize marijuana and gay marriage, why not firearms under states rights?
http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/mainh...

In Germany, the family of a 74 year old cancer victim is suing the hospital where his surgery was done after 16 items, including a needle, bandages, and part of a surgical mask, were found inside his body. Ooops!
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013...

Finally, a Detroit man has been arrested after stealing his father's casket and body before it could be buried. It seems his son took dad home and put him in a freezer, hoping for a resurrection.
http://www.examiner.com/article/son-s...

You can't make this stuff up.

- Ron
D17 - ICRD

“Careless she is with artful care, / Affecting to seem unaffected.” - William Congreve

“Having your fate rest in the hands of a jury is the same as entrusting yourself to surgery with a mentally retarded doctor.” - Bill Messing

Bull153 commented on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 14:31 PM

Heading into the weekend here's today's weird news...

A mother put up her 16 year old son's pickup for sale after the youngster was caught driving while intoxicated. Way to go, Mom. Now, that is being a parent!
http://living.msn.com/family-parentin...

Never let your dog drive. As a passenger was opening the vehicle gate to the driveway, the owner's dog leaped into the front and pressed down on the accelerator. Before the driver could intervene, the van struck the passenger, causing fatal injuries.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/...

In the really weird department, a woman was photographed holding her own heart. It seems she received a heart transplant, and asked to hold her own heart after it was removed. Kind of Frankensteinish!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/hea...

One good reason to move to Australia... a gentleman using a sophisticated metal detector discovered a 12 pound gold nugget. It looks like he may have started a new gold rush in the region.
http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/12...

Finally, in the really weird department, it's being rumored that Lady Gaga is trying to buy Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch. After buying some 55 items that were once Jocko's, I guess it isn't too far fetched for her to buy Neverland. I wonder if it comes with a monkey?
http://news.msn.com/rumors/rumor-lady...

- Ron
D18 - ICRD

“Yeah, I know, some people are against drunk driving, and I call those people "the cops." But you know, sometimes, you've just got no choice; those kids gotta get to school!” - Dave Attell

“Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?” - George Carlin

"The human heart feels things the eyes cannot see, and knows what the mind cannot understand” - Robert Valett

TheSovereign commented on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 19:31 PM

"And crimeruddendump when you put that quote about the truth and your gut I literally thought it was something Bull said. I was reading his comment on my phone and I looked up for a second and when I looked down I kept reading at that paragraph because that's where I thought I left off at without realizing it was your comment. Which is kind of sad because I wasn't surprised by it, I could totally see him saying it." - One has to be careful or they can become what they hate....

Bull153 commented on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 19:44 PM

@ TheSovereign...

I hope you weren't driving and texting... you do realize that is unsafe and illegal. Oh, that's right, you believe that you can do anything you want and the laws just infringe on your personal freedom. Silly me...

- Ron
D18 - ICRD

“Well, we won the war. You know what that means. In twenty years, we'll all be driving Iraqi cars.” - Will Durst

“Baseball is like driving, it's the one who gets home safely that counts.” - Tommy Lasorda

TheSovereign commented on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 19:50 PM

such an extremist, what reason would there be to believe that I would do such a dangerous act like texting and driving at the same time.

Typical extremist, always assuming but not really having a clue.

Bull153 commented on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 20:40 PM

@ TheSovereign...

It is simple, you are an avowed libertarian... They do what they want in the name of personal freedom. To heck with personal responsibility. It is an unsafe act, and I said I hoped you were not driving. Every day I see idiots driving and texting. It isn't much of a stretch when you say you looked up and then back to surmise you may have been driving. Extreme? No. Cautious and concerned? Certainly.

- Ron
D18 - ICRD

"One has to be careful or they can become what they hate...." - TheSovereign

“Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides.” - Margaret Thatcher

TheSovereign commented on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 21:22 PM

"They do what they want in the name of personal freedom. To heck with personal responsibility." - Trying to frame the conversation? I think so. To lean libertarian does not mean that I in anyway believe that I should take irresponsible risks, it just means that the our government does not have the need to protect ourselves from ourselves. They do have the responsibility to protect us from those who wish to deprive us of our rights and freedoms, and to do us harm physically or financially.

I guess you are one of those types that have to have the threat of a law, or possibly Hell, in order to abstain from risk associated behavior that can be detrimental to the rights of others. Or maybe you are just an extremist with a control issue. Thats for others to dwell on. Education typically helps one to refrain from attempting risk associated behavior without first measuring the consequences to determine the value of such a risk. A reasonable person will determine that if the risk has the potential to harm or deprive another's rights, then its not worth the behavior.

I know it sounds simple, but it used to work.

crimeriddendump commented on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 22:42 PM

I can't believe the amount of obstinace and arrogance being displayed here by Bull153!!

Bull153 commented on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 18:14 PM

There seems to be little interest in these tidbits of craziness, so this will be the last installment.

A five-year old kindergarten student has been labeled a 'terrorist threat' and suspended from school after she told a classmate she was going to shoot her with a pink toy bubble gun. Suspension? How about explaining that it is wrong to shoot anyone and taking the toy gun away for a week.
http://news.msn.com/us/kindergartner-...

The Department of the Interior is weighing expanding or banning cell phone and internet service within National Parks as a debate continues over the convenience and safety technology affords versus the desire to have a natural technology-free vacation. Can you hear me now?
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/tec...

A Swedish woman has been granted permission to reclaim her removed breast following surgery in order to afford it a proper burial. The Swedish Department of Health found there was no legal reason not to grant the request...
http://www.thelocal.se/45704/20130119/

A geneticist from the Harvard School of Medicine is seeking a surrogate mother in order to try and clone a Neanderthal baby. George Church is reported to believe that a current human genome could be tweaked with modern molecular biology to produce an embryo needing a surrogate mother... Jurassic Park anyone?
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/...

It's been an interesting but albeit a short ride. Now you'll just have to ferret out these strange stories on your own...

- Ron
D19 - ICRD

“The child-soul is an ever-bubbling fountain in the world of humanity” - Friedrich Froebel

“Technology makes it possible for people to gain control over everything, except over technology” - John Tudor

Bull153 commented on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 at 12:45 PM

You have to love Joe Biden. Our Vice-President is an entertaining soul, good for a laugh about once a week. His latest gaffe occurred at the Iowa State Inaugural Ball Saturday night when he declared "I'm proud to be President of the United States." Does he know something the rest of us don't, or is he time warping ahead four years.

After eight years of Veep Joe Biden, I'm not sure the nation is ready for four years of Prez Joe Biden.

- Ron
D20 - ICRD

"A gaffe is when a politician tells the truth." - Michael Kinsley

Bull153 commented on Friday, Jan 25, 2013 at 20:04 PM

The wine connoisseurs in Santa Rosa are whining. It seems the popular brand of local wine commonly referred to as "Two-buck Chuck" can no longer lay claim to the name or its fame.

In an article in the Santa Rosa Press-Democrat, the makers of Charles Shaw wine have had to increase the cost per bottle some 50 cents to $2.49. The popular wine sold some five million cases last year. The price increase is being blamed on poor wince crops in 2010 and 2011.

It is interesting to see a local journalistic icon such as the Press-Democrat so concerned with wine prices. Their are so many other issues their subscribers could whine about. Maybe a glass of wine will make things seem rosy!

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/...

- Ron
D25 - ICRD

“Wine is a clog to the pen, not an inspiration” - Mark Twain

“Wine is a treacherous friend who you must always be on guard for.” - Christian Nevell Bovee

44Magnum commented on Saturday, Jan 26, 2013 at 13:50 PM

Bull153;

Maybe they are imbibing on the last of the "Two-buck Chuck" before they start on the new "Upchuck"?

Cheers,
Randy


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