While many here in Manteca re not - I am sorry for your loss. Police should be protecting the citizens - not killing them.
Anyone that I know who has seen the video is shocked and appalled by the barrage of bullets Moody put into Ernest for just getting out of a truck. How no one I know who has watched the video felt there was any danger. No one saw any knife. Nothing.
As before, I'm sorry for your loss. Hopefully the Federal courts will bring some right to this miscarriage of justice. As you say, all of Manteca should be ashamed.
look at some of the stuff Officer Moody posts on blogs like if we Murdered somebody in his family. It shouldnt be justified just because somebody has a badge. Please go to the link below and see the way Officer Moody speaks about my husband.With no remorse whatsoever....
I had to do a bing search for 'two malcontents Ernest Duenez'.
It is a radical right wing website. There is NO evidence Officer Moody or anyone in the police department or in Manteca has anything to do with it.
There is a link to the Duenez Facebook page. There you can find supposedly peaceful people who want justice for Mr. Duenez inciting violence and death upon law enforcement. Yep, just like we have seen so many times in the past, it is only truth and justice if it turns out the way YOU want it. That is what is truly pathetic and a bit frightening.
Here is the link: http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/20...
"There is NO evidence Officer Moody or anyone in the police department or in Manteca has anything to do with it." How hypocritical of you to say that while also saying "it is only truth and justice if it turns out the way YOU want it."
What is freighting is that Police seem more willing to be "judge, jury and executioner" and the gun-loving, tea-party types seem to think this is a good thing.
Anyone that thinks the force used on Ernest Duenez Jr. was appropriate needs to reexamine their morals.
You can't keep your own identity straight, and now you can't figure out who you are arguing with. It is amusing. It is sad. I tried to help but if you insist on being stupid, it is simply your problem.
If there is any evidence that MPD or any of its officers are responsible for the website, or even the article, then prove it. Otherwise, it is nothing more than your own unsubstantiated opinion. The truth is not going to change simply because you want it to.
Anyone who believes the force used on Ernest Duenez was inappropriate is misinformed and doesn't know what they are talking about. I'll rest my case on the facts from experts, rather than the opinions of someone who stayed at a Holiday Inn. My morals are fine. I worry about your sanity.
I'm not going to say I'm a pacifist or that I don't wish that Moody came down with something horrible but throughout this whole ordeal everybody has been peaceful, which is after REAL VIOLENCE has been done to us.
Where did I ever say anything about the MPD was connected with the website you posted? Also, who is saying this is the even the same website whitneeDZ is referring too? Seems you are letting your imagination run wild!
Also, there are MANY, MANY people who see injustice in the video. That is alluded to in the blog above.
Again, trying to personally attack people who see injustice here does not really give you credibility; it does the opposite.
I didn't say anything about the MPD being connected to the website that was posted. I'm never said anything about any website whitneeDZ referred to. You are the one with the runaway imagination.
There are also 'MANY, MANY' people who see injustice in many other events. It does not make it true. There are also 'MANY, MANY' people who see justifiable police use of force in the video. What is alluded to in the blog is a biased emotional reaction from someone who is in a lot of pain. That's understandable.
You are a good one to talk credibility when you can't even keep who you are arguing with straight. I'm fine with my credibility, you are the one being incredulous...
“What is objectionable, what is dangerous, about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents.” - Robert Francis Kennedy
Your right, it doesn't take 'MANY MANY' people, it only takes twelve in . To bad the DA and MPD lack the integrity to go that route. There are 'MANY MANY' people in jail waiting for trail for far less than what I - and MANY MANY others - see in the video.
Frankly, I think if this went to a trial, a SJ County jury would throw the book at Moody. He is very lucky to have such good friends at the DA. Too bad though he lacks friends in the Federal Court system ...
"Frankly, I think if this went to a trial, a SJ County jury would throw the book at Moody. He is very lucky to have such good friends at the DA. Too bad though he lacks friends in the Federal Court system ..."
But I don't agree with your view about the "Tea Party Types". I know of many, as well as law enforcement that are appauled by this travisty.
So, are you just offering us your opinion or do you have some basis for making your claim that somehow the investigation and clearing of Officer Moody was flawed?
Did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night? Tell us what expertise you bring to the table, I have. Be specific... what did Officer Moody do that was unlawful or illegal? Just one thing. Otherwise, I'll take the experience and expertise of the DA's office and their experts over anyone's emotional knee-jerk response any day.
To characterize the tragic events and the findings of the DA's office as a travesty is - of itself - a travesty. Every officer I've spoken with, corresponded with, or shared information with agrees that Officer Moody was legally justified in his actions and committed no offense. I'd like to meet an officer that says otherwise...
“Peace and justice are two sides of the same coin.” - Dwight David Eisenhower
“Justice is the means by which established injustices are sanctioned” - Anatole France
You are being very hypocritical here when you offer just "your opinion" regarding the publication of handgun permit holders addresses by a New York newspaper that was also "legally justified" and the paper committed "no offense." It is amazing that one could have such blatant double standards.
Also Bull153, combining the video with the family's account, CapitalistsNightmare's tale of MPD joking about this while smoking pot and now redeyerider saying more or less the same thing very much puts you on an island here.
All your self proclaimed "experience" amounts to absolutely nothing when your extreme bias is so blatant.
Again, hopefully the Federal trial will bring more transparency to this increasingly tragic tale of a man gunned down for seemingly nothing.
Also, I find it hypocritical that some here embrace public opinion when it agrees with their own personal opinion and then quickly dismisses the same brand of public opinion if it disagrees with their preconceived bias.
Just the same as the TeaParty that decries so-called pork barrel spending for the "other guy" but embraces the same when the pork is headed in their own direction. Nationally, it happend with Sandy relief aid - denied because it was destined for a heavily democrat area. While aid to GOP mainstays in the past were passed without worry. Then locally we have a TeaParty in*fluenced local government that talks of limiting spending while a the same time embr*acing a new train/bus station that has neither trains or buses.
Funny how easily these people's hardline "beliefs" fall to the wayside when it impacts them directly ...
It's called HYPOCRISY people! Wise up to it and get rid of it!
I know we don't agree on many things politically, but, seeing is believing. It is pretty hard to defend what is shown in the video. I fail to see how anyone could conclude that lethal force was the best/only opinion in this scenario. As you say, I have yet to see any real law enforcement outside of Central Valley say this looked justified.
OK, I am still waiting for your response. You make some harsh and unsubstantiated claims, now back it up. Or are you another 'expert' with no credentials and this is just your 'opinion'?
Put up or shut up...
“Credibility is like virginity. Once you lose it, you can never get it back.” - Unknown
You are being incredibly hypocritical here. Do you not understand that you are being exceptionally hypocritical or do you just not care?
Also, it would seem you choose to use aggressive and insulting language toward anyone that disagrees with your opinion. That is not very mature and does not help your argument here.
Seems this case is getting more and more national attention. Hopefully it helps accelerate justice at the Federal level and helps the rational people of Manteca drop the apathy and actually stand up for what is right.
What national attention? The fact that some moron who threatened Officer Moody was arrested? What is right is that Officer Moody was found justified in his actions. The fact that the family is suing Manteca for a big payday does not change the fact that Officer Moody's actions were justified and legal. No amount of national attention is going to change that.
There is quite a bit of national attention on this local murder. Many activist groups around the country are rallying behind the Duenez case. You have before championed public opinion, the YouTube comments are roughly 90% to 10% in support of Duenez and wanting accountability from the MPD.
Again, hopefully the federal case will bring some more answers to this unsettling case.
Oh, yes. You_Tube, the refuge of the couch potato and computer nerd.
It doesn't matter what people's opinions are on You_Tube. I hardly think you an claim national attention just because of a post on You_Tube. Kitten videos gather as many views and opinions as the Duenez shooting.
As I pointed out, what matters is that Officer Moody was found legally justified in his actions. That is what matters, not a video. I'll accept it has national attention when one of the major media outlets like NBC or ABC covers the story. I will buy into your contention when a major newspaper like the LA Times, Chicago Tribune, or NY Post runs an article. Until then it is nothing more than a local incident that has been legally justified. All that is left now is to dispose of this frivolous retaliatory lawsuit.
Justice has already been served. You just refuse to accept it.
You attack YouTube but made a whole blog post about a POLL in MSN??
How typically hypocritical of you!
What the world is calling for is justice, not your revenge. Justice is the truth, not what you want it to be. Officer Moody was exonerated. Get used to it. People are sorry that someone died, but the investigation clearly showed that the officer was justified. The whole tragic incident would never have happened if the victim had just done what he was told. Sadly, his drug use and actions cost him his life. The officer will live the rest of his life knowing he took a life. The fact that he was justified does not make it any easier to live with.
Officer Moody was NOT exonerated. NOT! It's not even the right word to use as Officer Moody was never even charged.
"The whole tragic incident would never have happened if the" Officer hadn't decided already that he was going to kill Dunez the first change he got!
Sorry Hoffman, Again you are incorrect. Officer Moody was in fact EXONERATED!!!
The following definition is from Merriam-Webster dot com.
Definition of EXONERATE
1: to relieve of a responsibility, obligation, or hardship
2: to clear from accusation or blame
You really must hit the books!!!
The LEAGAL definition of exonerate is much different. Was Officer Moody ever charged with a crime? Simple yes or no question.
If the answer to that question is "no" then he cannot -by definition - be exonerated. Charges could still be filed in the future by this DA at a later time.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
From the Miriam Webster online dictionary: Exonerate
1: to relieve of a responsibility, obligation, or hardship
2: to clear from accusation or blame
From USLEGAL.com: Exonerate means generally to be free from blame, responsibility, obligation, or task. In criminal law, exoneration of a bail bond is governed by state laws, which vary by state. Exoneration is a way for a surety to be relieved from liability on an appearance bond if the surety surrenders the defendant into the custody of the sheriff of the county in which the prosecution is pending and the sheriff reports the surrender to the court. In this way, bail forfeiture is avoided.
From thelawdictionary.com: What is EXONERATION?
The removal of a burden, charge, or duty. Particularly, the act of relieving a person or estate from a charge or liability by casting the same upon anotherperson or estate. Louisville & N. R. Co. v. Comm., 114 Ky. 787, 71 S. W. 916; Bannon r.Burnes (C. C.) 39 Fed. 898.A right or equity which exists between BL.LAW DICT.(2D ED.)
The officer was cleared of any blame by the District Attorney's investigation. He was exonerated. You can call it whatever you want, as long as you admit that he was found justified in his actions.
Are you related to Lindsey Lohan? You both are about as swift as a box of rocks.
Mhoffman's sense of reality is warped by an emotionally based logic rather than being guided by factual logic. This is why his definition of exonerate differs from others.
Hello Bull153 and Friendo,
Everything else aside and just using your definition, wouldn't the pending civil trial as Moody can still be 'blamed' completely counter your point?
Also legally speaking, he was never charged. Can't be exonerated from something that was never charged.
That pesky reality again! You two can never seem to shake it.
Know why he wasn't charged? No EVIDENCE to indicate that a crime happened. Know why he was exonerated? Because the findings in a multi agency investigation exonerated him.
Invent your own definitions of words if you like. Bull153 can't seem to wrap his head around "sarcasm" and you can't seem to figure out exonerated.
Oh well. They say ignorance is bliss ...