I really think this is getting blown out of proportion really. How many signatures have there been? It's just some extremely butt hurt people whining that they lost. What I find extremely funny is there are some of these people signing these petitions in states that went to Obama in the election. Do they really think that they're going to secede when the people in that state voted for Obama? Lol, funny.
They'll get over it soon enough unless they really want to push for civil war, which I don't think would get as much support as they think it would.
We live in a society where 50% of marriages end in divorce, why is anyone surprised that people who can't get their way want to end the Union.
One, the last civil war proved that Americans weren't going to let their country be torn apart just because certain people in various states want to do things their way, and two, just like any divorce, there is no getting off scott-free. There is a $15 trillion debt that a good portion of was spent on those States or the people of those States.
I am sure there would be complex formulas developed in order to make sure that each State leaves with its portion of the national debt. That way, they can finally show American's how its done. They can start off deep in debt for their size, and show us how their way will eliminate debt and create prosperity
I agree with C_N that unless these fellow citizens truly want to take up arms against the rest of the nation, its just sour grapes from people who have realized that it is them that is out of step with a larger segment of the population. Now, if they really and truly want to take up arms against their fellow citizens in order to force their ways upon us, I say... let the carpet bombing begin!!! I am paying 3/4 of a trillion dollars a year for my military, lets see some shock and awe!!!
Why do States like Texas, or Kansas, or Mississippi believe they will do a better job than Saddam's army did at repelling the US Armed Forces?
Have the perfect solution for this disgruntled folks. Go to Somalia.
No Rule of Law
And best of all, they can use their guns in any manner they wish.
Funny, no comment from Bull or Fredo....wonder why? Well, Bull may be busy packing for his fake trip, Fredo probably can't get out of the fetal position....:-)
Hey, Larry... I got it, and I agree with him! Secession is a ridiculous option. Only a fool like Curly would consider it. Hey, is Curly planning to move too? I hear Somalia would love to have him... Nyuk... nyuk... nyuk!!!
Hey, Moe... I think you miss the point. I also agree with C_N that it is a lot of sour grapes... but it is also a way for the American people to exercise their right to address grievances. They flat don't like the Federal Government cramming things like Obamacare down their throats, so it is a way to remind the idiots in Washington and the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue about states rights. That is the issue much more that secession.
As for shock and awe... just let Curly do a belly flop in the nearest pool... that'll be all the shock and awe you can handle... or is he on his way to Somalia? Nyuk... nyuk... nyuk!!!
Larry... Larry... Larry! Now even you know that it is wayyyyyyy to early to be packing! There are a number of things that need to be done long before I'll be packing. I'll be here for a while yet. I should have a better timeline sometime after the 28th of this month, but I doubt I'll actually be leaving until sometime in January. So we'll be able to continue our banter for a while yet, nyuk... nyuk... nyuk!
Oh, and Curly? If he is gonna go visit his fake business and get some early fake Christmas donations for all his fake charitable endeavors, I hear it is lovely down under this time of year... nyuk... nyuk... nyuk!!!
Ironic to be talking fake when absolutely no one believes anything you say anymore Bull153! You have been disingenuous one too many times now.
You have become even more irrational and rude after the election. Speaking of sour grapes, look in the mirror and get over yourself.
Hello Bull153, Your posts are becoming more and more confusing and contradictory. First you write that you agree with DLangdon and state that "Secession is a ridiculous option". In his original post, which you claim to agree with, DLangdon also suggested that those favoring secession should "deal with it" and "Instead of throwing a tantrum, try getting your party to make peace with all the groups they managed to drive away over the past few years. You know, Young people, minorities, women, and non-rich folks." That is a very clear, non ambiguous position which you SAY you share. Yet, in a later post, you defend those who would favor secession (despite your "sour grapes" disclaimer) as "a way for the American people to exercise their right to address grievances". How is advancing the idea of secession which is basically just a variation of the immature, "I'm picking up my ball and going home", seriously addressing grievances? I don't see that temper tantrum behavior as an effective way to express concerns or offer productive solutions. As for the Federal government supposedly "cramming things like Obamacare down their throats" and the secession concept as being a "reminder" of states rights, what would you have done about the Civil Rights Act of 1964? That is the Federal government asserting its supremacy over "state rights" by living up to its responsibility to protect the rights of ALL American citizens. Would you have protested the Federal government "cramming" its racial equality beliefs "down the throats" of Southern state citizens who were satisfied with Jim Crow laws and the "separate but equal" premise? States DO have rights, but the well-being of the country depends on the recognition that the Federal government's responsibility to act in the best interest of All American citizens supersedes states' power. Otherwise, we would not have FDA and other federal agencies that were designed to uniformly protect the health of Americans, regardless of what state they live in. President Obama has a tough road ahead of him. He needs the assistance and cooperation of the major political parties to help turn around the economic devastation. It is way past time for all political parties to put country above partisan politics. Sincerely, Karen
" They flat don't like the Federal Government cramming things like Obamacare down their throats," - really? I am not seeing this, especially from recent polls that suggest the contrary. It seems that once the Americans cut throught the "Bull Sh.." They aren't against it. Go figure, w hen the truth comes out, people see it for the good that it does.
I can tell you what Americans don't like, when they get a tax bill to cover 3/4 of a trillion dollars a year in military spending crammed down their throats, especially when it is just to subsidize big corporations who pay little to no taxes themselves under the guise that they are protecting us with that money.
I agree we could do without the constant melodrama, hypocrisy, and outright bigotry on both the national and local levels.
Bull, the election is over, your guy lost, get over it already...a fake trip isn't going to change what has already gone down...you can give that up as well, sorry but nobody believes you anyway...
Here we go again... you either don't comprehend what I am saying or you put your own interpretation on it. Fine, let me try and clear this little glitch in understanding up.
One, I don't think secession is in the best interest of anyone, but I also don't think Washington DC should be tramping over states rights. That is what this is really about... you remember. The same thing that started the bloody American Civil War. NO one wants that and we are far and away nowhere close to such a ridiculous thing.
Two, there is a certain feeling of sour grapes over this issue. From what I have read and heard in the news, not every one of these petitions or documents or proposals are for secession - but for a clarification and understanding of states rights.
How can you honestly compare the civil rights act of 1964 to Obamacare? In 1964 black people were being murdered simply for being black. They had to ride in the back of a bus, use separate toilets, and couldn't go to school. Obamacare is not even close in scope nor need. You can't fix racism with a tax, you can't fix healthcare with a tax either. There are some issues where Federal law should trump state rights - health care is just not one of them!
I do agree with you on one point - Mr. Obama has a tough road ahead of him. It would help his cause if he would foster the bipartisanship he seeks by being honest and forthright with the people. Until he does, the road will continue to be a rough one...
Oh Moe... You silly! You know what they say about polls - you said it yourself. If you don't like it, wait a day or two and it'll change. You didn't like any poll that was favorable to conservatives... why should we buy into your fantasy that Obamacare is a wonderful thing?
You are right, and just like a broken clock is right twice a day, you are almost right about this... when the whole truth comes out about Obamacare, the people will see it for the disaster it is... higher taxes, less care, no choices. You 'member - "you can keep the plan you have now" 'ol Prez O told us. You lemmings bought into it, but guess what - because of the expense to businesses, they are dropping out of their plans and forcing people into the government plan, or be fined. Yep, gotta love the big O...
Hang in there, Stooges... keep bopping, poking, and slapping each other. One day you'll see the truth... maybe then you'll want to take a trip of your own...Nyuk... nyuk... nyuk!!!
Hey, Larry. Yep, the election is over and you stooges are just as ridiculous as ever. You need to stick that sock back in Curly's mouth, it accomplishes two things. It keeps him from spewing out more garbage, and it protects his gums from being bopped on the head so much... nyuk... nyuk... nyuk!!!
I'm over it, and so will you be in four years. The disaster is coming, and I am glad I won't be around for most of it. You morons must think there is something to my trip... otherwise you wouldn't keep bringing it up. Hopefully by January I'll be gone, so enjoy the banter till then, and really, do us all a favor. Put that muzzle back on Curly and give him a bath... he reeks!
I'll put my prediction here now:
January we will hear allot less from "Bull153" allot more from "44Magnum." "Different" person, same faux indignation and disingenuous ... everything.
Whatever. I'm finding Bull153 even more hilarious than before now that he has completely broken down into a completely immature, pointless waste of time.
How about this Bull153, just stop posting now. You clearly don't have anything useful to contribute except insults and immaturity. Go away already. No one cares about anything you say anymore.
"You didn't like any poll that was favorable to conservatives.." - I can see that it worked out well for you. You are referring to the many popularity polls that change with the wind, you can see that these opinions are fleeting, but they made you feel embolden enough to believe that Romney had a chance.
"why should we buy into your fantasy that Obamacare is a wonderful thing?" - Ah, the simple minded on the right only knows what they are told by their handlers. Look through the many things that I have written, and you will see that I am not a champion for Obamacare, it doesn't address healthcare, only the Insurance companies, and I personally think its time to eliminate insurance companies and deal directly with the healthcare providers. A little over your head, but then you are a conservative after all.
"higher taxes, less care, no choices" - No clue to what you are talking about, again, you are a Conservative, if you arent told what to believe, you wouldnt know what to believe.
How is it that a former government worker as yourself, does not know the limits on the office of the President? It seems hard for you to understand how the government works and what branches have which responsibility. It just proves that a tool is just used.
"You didn't like any poll that was favorable to conservatives.."
Well, seeing as we are now past the election, we can see who was right and who was wrong. Frankly, time has proved these polls to have been inaccurate. Are you seriously complaining that people didn't believe the same lies you have ben championing for the past almost year?
Grow up or go away.
Hello Bull153, You write that I am either not comprehending what you are saying or that I am putting my own "interpretation" on it. We ALL put our own interpretations on ANYTHING we read, because we filter it through our own experiences. Have you ever seriously considered that you are possibly NOT consistent in your arguments or that YOU are not making yourself clear? I have no reason to purposefully "misinterpret" or "misunderstand" you. Perhaps you should proofread your posts for clarity and consistency. For example, in your last post to me, you make the point, "How can you honestly compare the civil rights act of 1964 to Obamacare?" That is a valid question and I do have an answer to it. But before I get into it, you go on, after you contrast the "scope and need" of Obamacare to the issues that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 addressed, to COMPARE the two ("you can't fix racism with a tax, you can't fix healthcare with a tax either"). It's ironic that you find it unacceptable for me to compare the two issues, but perfectly legitimate to make your OWN comparison, as long as it fits your mindset. Can you recognize the inconsistency in your position? Here is my response: I do not equate the suffering and indignities black people endured due to legislated racism (Jim Crow laws, etc.) with the need for healthcare reform. However, I do see the absolute necessity and responsibility of the federal government to have affordable healthcare options for ALL American citizens and see this best achieved as a uniform FEDERAL policy rather than as a state by state issue. That is my comparison to the Civil Rights Act where the law applied across the nation to ALL American citizens. The Civil Rights Act did not end racism, but it made it illegal to blatantly make racist local and state laws governing citizens behavior.
As to President Obama's "rough road ahead", I believe that he has been as forthright and honest as national security will allow. When all comes out in the Libya situation, I think it will become clear that we as a nation were told "talking points" that specifically did not jeopardize national security or trying to amass evidence on the real perpetrators of the tragedy. The President will continue to be challenged by those who see a conspiracy around every corner and when one is disproved (like the theory that General Petraeus was set up so that he would resign and avoid testifying before the Congressional committees), another one will be concocted to take its place, no matter how outlandish. Senators McCain and Graham are twisting themselves into pretzels trying to besmirch Susan Rice. I find their behavior mean-spirited and disgusting. It is one thing to want to get to the bottom of a confusing and significant tragic situation. It is quite another to use your own political prejudices to slander the character and intentions of woman who is serving our country well in her UN position. Sincerely, Karen
Bull, the only person who keeps bringing up your fake trip is you....you just did it again...just come clean, as in life, you aren't going anywhere....:-)
Funny how some say I was the only who brought up the topic that LarryBacca discusses in his post.
Amazing how reality is so much different than some's imagination of it.
"It is quite another to use ... prejudices to slander the character and intentions of woman"
While you were being very specific, I think your quote fits very well into a general comment. Sexism seems to be getting worse and worse as opposed to better. Things that were once taboo in the 90's to say/do to women now seem to be far too common.
It really is sad that some men feel that the only way to build themselves up is to objectify and demean women.