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The blogger who wrote - What Government Line Should I Stand In? - has written a blog that is sad on so many levels, but mostly in presentation and the perception that it is trying to present.

The blogger ignorantly states, "After the latest Shellacking from Justice Roberts the wind is gone from my sails and I am now bitterly accepting the direction that America wants to head." The only sails that have lost any wind are the sails on the Ship of Fools. Anyone with an iota of knowledge of our Constitution, and the roles of the Congress and the Supreme Court already know that this was the proper and expected outcome. The Constitution gives Congress the power to both regulate commerce and to tax. With that simple knowledge, and prior decisions from the Supreme Court over the past decades, there was only one decision that could come from the Court. The one that we received.

Now to claim some sort of "Shellacking" from the Chief Justice is not only ignorant, but merely politically motivated. The perception being presented here is that Roberts should be beholding to the ideology of the Party of the President that nominated him for the position, and not to the responsibility and integrity that is expected from the position of Chief Justice of the highest court in the land. Here is more hypocrisy from the right, they throw around the claim of activist judges, and then complain when a judge refuses to be an activist for their cause. Then you have right wing nut Congressman - and a sailor on the Ship of Fools - Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) wanting to impeach Justice Elena Kagan for not reclusing herself from this case because she, as he claims “violated federal law” by voting on the Obamacare decision after serving as Solicitor General when the law was passed. It should be pointed out that if this wing nut was being honest with himself and his constituents, he would also be calling for the head of Justice Thomas, whose wife is a lobbyist for the Healthcare industry, and both of them stood to make millions of dollars if the decision went the other way. In any case, if both of these Justices had recluse themselves from this case, the outcome would have been the same.

There are those on the Ship of Fools that are looking to blame Robert's need to take epilepsy meds as the reason his decision was tainted. Thank you for that argument, it is one that can now be used for the terrible decision on Citizens United. Now there is the effort by the wing nuts to say that Roberts changed his decision, originally falling on the side of the law being unConstitutional, basically claiming that he flip-flopped (which is a Conservative trait by the way, as we are witnessing in Romney). I would hope that our Justices are looking at all sides before making their FINAL decision, which seems to be the case here. I wonder why this flip-flopping tag hasn't been placed on Justice Scalia, who himself made a decision counter to statements he has made in the past concerning the powers of Congress. So is this blogger upset because the Constitutional process played out as our Republic is designed to do, and that at the very least one Justice followed the process and made his decision based on the integrity of his position? I would think that any good American would be happy to see that the process worked according to the way it was designed to do. I can almost guarantee that if the decision was different, the expectation would be that "the matter was decided, and now its time to move on", which is what 56% of Americans polled are saying about this decision.

Now before the "You're A Liberal" battle flag is hoisted on the Ship of Fools, I need to express that I am not a fan of the "individual mandate" or the fact that this wasn't a Healthcare reform law, but rather a Health Insurance reform law. I will be the first to say that based on their actions, this industry's practices needed to be reformed, which it is a form of commerce that falls under the powers of Congress, but if we really wanted to reform healthcare, we should have been dealing with the healthcare providers, and not the paying agent middle men. For all of the extremists on the Ship of Fools who parrot what they hear on the Ship of FoolsNews Channel, there have been no Socialist (capital "S" Socialist, and not small "s" socialist) programs implement, or Government paid healthcare given. What the law does do is regulate the practices of the Insurance industry, and require the states to set up exchanges where people can compared and buy healthcare insurance on the open market. One would think the Conservatives would welcome a system that presents competition and choice among the insurance providers, and in turn offering lower costs as their theory goes. There are subsidies built in for those who are at 133% of poverty, which isn't much money. The right defends subsities to wealthy oil companies or wealthy farmers who don't need them, at least provide them for those who do need them. I don't see how its Socialism when you give subsidies to people, but not when its given to corporations. Its just politcal speak from the Ship of FoolsNews Channel.

Here is a hypocritical point from the wing nuts on the right, they are against paying taxes for a bloated bureaucracy that provides poor service, and would treat people like cattle, but they are for paying their hard earned wages to the insurance industry, which is nothing more than a bloated bureaucracy that provides poor service and treats people like cattle. On top of that, these insurance companies do not provide any healthcare, draw large profits before providing service, and can refuse to provide any service if you get sick, which is when you actually need the service. We hear all of the time on how people are dropped by these healthcare insurance companies due to a T not being crossed, or an i not being dotted, basically for violating the terms of the agreement, but since this contract's terms weren't being met in the first place as the insurance companies claim, why do the insurance companies get to keep all of the money that they have collected from this person, since contractually, they were not bound to provide the service that the money was handed over for? That is also called stealing, or fraud.

Then, to further exaserbate the "Socialist" take on healthcare, the general premise from the right is that "Socialism" is where people are getting a lot of something without equally contributing having the remaining provided by others, which is what the blogger is implying when he states, "I will be looking for my lines and filing for my government entitlements and begin to leach off of the doers in society." So, what is your expectation from an insurance company? That when you are confronted with a medical need that cost a great deal of money, that others will be paying for that bill even though they aren't the one receiving the healthcare? Where do you think the money comes from? Is the thought that the money you were paying into the insurance company was somehow, over time supposed to equal the cost of the care provided, or were you thinking you would get more than you paid for? Why is this different than if the care was being paid for by pool of 300 million people as opposed to the pool that is paying premiums to an insurance company now? At least with the tax payer system, you aren't paying outrageous CEO salaries or profits to investors.

Once you pull away the perception that this service provided by the government is Socialist, it becomes obvious that it is the same service provided by the paying agents, but it is politically labeled differently in order to benefit those who invest in the insurance companies with the expectations of large profits. There are no more need for efficiency from the insurance company to keep premiums down than there is from the perception of the government administering the service, only difference is that the premium increases go to investors in the form of profits to investors.

If we really wanted to reform healthcare following capitalist principles, the insurance companies would have been left out the equation, and a system where the service provider is directly paid by the person receiving the healthcare. Why does anyone believe that someone else should be paying for service provided to them? Why do they expect to get more than what they pay for? If an example of a type of healthcare reform is needed, look at the Kaiser model. You pay your monthly premiums directly to the healthcare provider. The paradigm of the independent Doctor as a small business man has been changing over the decades, and more and more Doctors are working for Kaiser like healthcare providers. They aren't wanting to make the investment in offices and/or equipment to service those needing healthcare, so the trend has been moving towards Doctors being employees of larger programs.

This model can be built off of groups, whether they be based on the size of a town or section of a town, county, state or a national group. In this model the healthcare provider is responsible for the administration costs of the services eliminating the need for another bureaucracy, allowing the provider to control its costs through efficiencies of operation. There is no reason to offer insurance through an employer, which only adds more administration costs as it requires the employer to hire people to oversee their insurance programs.

The money that comes out of one's paycheck now towards insurance premiums, which typically ranges from between $400 and $600 a month, would be by the employee directly to the provider of his choice. Any monies that the employer pays out in premium subsidies could be paid directly to the employee as a part of their income which in essence is what it is now, and would be used to go to their healthcare provider. This is a win-win for employers since now they can get back to their business, and not the business of healthcare. Since the employee is now responsible for choosing their healthcare provider, it will force providers to complete for these people who are now themselves choosing who provides them their healthcare. The healthcare providers will need to find efficiencies in order to keep costs down in order to draw these newly liberated customers to their service.

This is one way that you reform a broken system that currently benefits the Healthcare providers, the insurance company middle men, refuses service to those who pay for it, and forces businesses to focus on and creates an additional expense on something that is not related to the business that they are in. Is this what we received in the reform that is in this law? No, the politicians found ways to tweak what we have so that those who are benefitting off of the needs of others can continue to do so, just not take as much advantage as they were able to do before.

To listen to the blogger, we are on the road to the minions getting free healthcare. This isn't true. That isn't what happened in Massachusetts where Romney set up a similar plan. Also statistics show that only 1% of the citizens there needed to pay the fine for not having insurance. Regardless of what the Republican Party Chairman, Reince Priebus (again, take all of the vowels out of his name, and you get RNC PR BS, some are just destined for their vocation) is saying that this is a tax, the Republican candidate for President is stating otherwise. There is con*flect in the political party on how to sell the propaganda on this one. As I said, the Ship of Fools.

So, with all of the political football that is being played by the Parties, and their respective propaganda machines, we are left with an electorate that does not even understand how their system works or should work, and are whining that they are on the road to Socialism. Again, this blog is sad on so many levels, and we still aren't getting Healthcare reform, or any benefits that would come from a Socialist system.

Maybe now, the two parties will get together and actaully reform the healthcare system to one like the example that I gave, or like the many Single Payer programs that all other major industrialized nations provide for the their citizens. Who am I kidding, if I really believe that then its time to buy a ticket on that Ship of Fools.This is California, if you are going to give us a whine, at least provide the cheese to go with it.


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canative62 commented on Tuesday, Jul 03, 2012 at 19:08 PM

talk about whine..
this is the same blogger who gets upset when the Democratic Party is called "socialists" then he turns around and lables the opposition the "ship of fools" All of this only after crying out that the people do not participate in our government...
At least not the way he wants us to...

which ship of fools is that???
the third party ship...?

TheSovereign commented on Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 11:43 AM

I didn't label any party a ship of fools, you just did. I presented the actions of extremists as qualifiers to the ship of fools.

If you want to take it to the extreme and label a whole party have at it. I would expect nothing less from an extremist, thar matey!

canative62 commented on Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 13:38 PM

So Sov doesn't mind you having a different viewpoint, AS LONG AS IT IS NOT TOO Extreme aka:Conservative
For example CN has a viewpoint of communism that exists no where in the world BUT he is never belittled, mocked or put on a "ship of fools" . It is fairly certain that his Revolutionary ideology is in fact EXTREME.
Lets all participate eh SOV... Communism is OK but Conservatives or Christians do not get the same option???

Just one mans view from this side.

canative62 commented on Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 14:31 PM

The perception being presented here is that Roberts should be beholding to the ideology of the Party of the President that nominated him for the position, and not to the responsibility and integrity that is expected from the position of Chief Justice of the highest court in the land. Here is more hypocrisy from the right, they throw around the claim of activist judges, and then complain when a judge refuses to be an activist for their cause.

Please show us where in the article you refere to what line calls for Mr. Roberts to stand oon the ideology of the President that nominated him?
Maybe , just maybe your conjecture is based on your line of thinking. I see no where where Mr. Roberts is being called to hold ANY LINE OF IDEOLOGY.
What I read is a comment from a man disappointed in the ruling of the Supreme Court .... PERIOD. I see comments wondering where the left slanted administration is taking us....
JUST one form of the participation Sov calls us to. THEN attacks if we don't agtree with his side...

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 16:51 PM

canative where were you when Sovereign and I were having an argument and he called me a Utopian, a nihilist, an idealist, an extremist, etc. You complain that there is like some conspiracy between us to gang up and argue with you but totally ignore that we're totally at odds with each other on many things.

So please stop with the bs, enjoy the A's beating the Red Sox.

Capitalists_Nightmare commented on Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 17:13 PM

In fact you should feel good, Sovereign used your arguments against me. Like the "it's never existed" argument. Feel special knowing both of you think the same way about communism.

TheSovereign commented on Wednesday, Jul 04, 2012 at 17:22 PM

You both should feel good knowing that I share something with both of you.

I still like you both.

Happy Independent's day!

midwestgirl commented on Wednesday, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Here is what I have thought we could do.

We all pay, any of us who work 1.45-2 % of every dollar we make is deducted into the medicare/ medicad funds even the poor. Many of us, are also paying into the insurance funds for our personal healthcare. Not only that our taxes are given to private entities for research and development so we can claim that we have the best healthcare in the world. Yet when is the return to the American people on that investment.

Here is how we can do it yes it comes with a cost to ALL of us, raise the cap on the medicare deduction from 1.45-2% to say 4-5% take out the paper pushers being the insurance companies who take 20-30% off the top then decide if they want to pay or not.

We have a medicare system in place that works ask any senior yes it does have some problems but less than the open market. Have a co-pay at time a service set also to a cap, those with less income would pay less those with more income would pay a higher co payment again there is a cap on the co-payments.

Pay the providers directly just as medicare/ medicaid does.

We Limit the amount of bureaucracy with the insurance companies, we limit the amount of time HR people for small business and large corporations dealing with the insurance bureaucracy, Large and small Business having to pay their share to the insurance companies. Along with managing our payments to the insurance companies.

There are solution to these problems that are already in place we just need to make the changes to implement them to there fullest.

TheSovereign commented on Wednesday, Jul 11, 2012 at 15:09 PM

So, now we have Healthcare suggestions from the left and from the center. One using a more social driven remedy, and one utilizing a more capitalist remedy. Where are any thought out solutions from those who profess to be from the right?

It is blatantly obvious that there are no ideas or solutions from the right. They have established the fact that they are nothing more than an opposition party with no notion to better or advance the country. The status quo has been proven to be failing the American people, and some action needs to be taken.

The President and his party ran on the notion that they would address the Healthcare issues in this country and they did, all be it alone with no assistance from the "opposition party." To show good faith, the leadership in Congress at the time that the Healthcare reform bill was being written included ideas that were brought forth as solutions by the former Republican Party, and ideas that were utilized on a state level experiment, as the founders had imagined new ideas would be brought forth, by the current candidate for the "opposition party" while he was governor of Massachusetts. We are now told that these Republican ideas and actions are wrong and unConstitutional, and need to be rescinded.

We are told that the "opposition party" has their own ideas for healthcare reform, but much like the new tablet computer from Microsoft to counter the iPad, it appears to only be "vaporware." We are all open to improving the current law, and it seems we are all open to compromise if it will improve the law.

So what are the ideas, and when is someone from the right going to make a suggestion? We do not need solely an opposition to all new ideas, so what is the relevance of the Conservatives if there is no intention of improving that which is deemed in need of improving? And what is the relevance to the Conservative Party if all of their ideas are to be later deemed unConstitutional... by themselves? If they are to be an American political party, should they not bring forth Constitutional ideas in the first place, and should they not say what they mean and mean what they say?

canative62 commented on Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 17:18 PM

So where are we going???
how about this quote..

Norman Thomas quotes:
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.

anything look familiar??

canative62 commented on Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 17:38 PM

American Socialists Release Names of 70 Congressional Democrats in Their Ranks

Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, August 13, 2010, 4:16 PM

The Socialist Party of America announced in their October 2009 newsletter that 70 Congressional democrats currently belong to their caucus.

LarryBaca commented on Monday, Jul 16, 2012 at 00:49 AM

Here we go with Alan West....

TheSovereign commented on Monday, Jul 16, 2012 at 03:57 AM

More fear mongering and no suggestions. We don't expect more from the right, and we are never let down.


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