I really don't understand that criticism of the movement "look at all the money we have to pay to suppress your movement!" As if the protesters are asking for thousands of police to come and destroy their tent cities and bloody them up. But whenever there is something conservatives don't like we always here that it costs too much money even though they will write a blank check when it comes to what they want *cough* War *cough*.

It always starts with the demoniIng, then the panic will set in.

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Well said Larry

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TKS LANG...just my opinions...

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You are correct that police overtime, refuse overtime, etc. is budgeted but I doubt that the cities foresaw the extreme amount of overtime they are encountering now. And, no the money if not spent on police overtime would not be earmarked for the things listed, but the extra money spent on overtime for all extra personnel needed to police, clean up, remove refuse, etc. at OWS sights has to come from somewhere. Funding in other areas may be affected. I don’t really think that Linda Silverman thought the money would be used for these things if not for the OWS….but then again, maybe she did. I didn’t see anything in her letter that said she didn’t believe in Free Speech or Right of Assembly. In fact, she was exercising HER Right to Free Speech by voicing her opinion. In my opinion, there is no comparison between the Tea Party Rallies and OWS Camps.

CN…..”As if the protesters are asking for thousands of police to come and destroy their tent cities and bloody them up.” It seems to me that is exactly what they want. It’s the only way to get it in the news. Heck, I might even support them if someone could tell me what their purpose is….what the camps are trying to accomplish….what needs to happen for them to be successful. Costing the cities millions of dollars for no clear purpose is disturbing to some.

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2sense, try this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_m...

Thanks, Larry…I read the article you suggested. It did little to clarify the movement for me…maybe you can help me to understand. Under the AIMS section, there was only one sentence that tried to define the goals, “According to Bloomberg Businessweek, protesters want more and better jobs, more equal distribution of income, bank reform, and a reduction of the in-fluence of corporations on politics.” I’m not sure they actually speak for the movement, but for the sake of discussion, we’ll assume they do.

More and Better Jobs: Okay…I think most of us would like a better paying job. While I understand the high unemployment issues, there are $10 an hour jobs out there. There was a time I worked 2…and 3 jobs to make ends meet through a tough time in my life. It wasn’t fun, in fact it sucked, but you do what you have to do. I didn’t feel like anybody owed me anything. As far as better jobs, are the protestors educated, trained, qualified for “better jobs”? I guess I’m just not understanding what they mean. I guess my questions would be….What do you mean by better jobs? What do you want to see happen to accomplish “more and better jobs”? Basically, what does the movement want?

More Equal Distribution of Income: What does this mean? How is it accomplished? I could speculate on what I THINK it means, but I may be wrong. Not all the “haves” don’t deserve it and not all the “have-nots” do.

Bank Reform: I think most people would support this, but few have ideas on what is needed and how to accomplish it. Does the movement have any ideas? What do they want to see happen?

Reduction of the In-fluence of Corporations on Politics: Again…a sound idea, but I think it’s fairly safe to say that every politician has had some sort of corporate backing. My question would be, again, what does the movement want?

In my opinion, since the movement doesn’t have clearly defined, measurable goals and ideas or plans for achieving those goals, I don’t see how it can succeed or any reason to support it. Without unified goals, it also leaves the movement’s motives more open to speculation and gives the “lunatic fringe” a better opening to define it…even though this may not be fair.

Maybe the movement does not have defined goals because their goals are actuallyu to bring down capitalism and change to Socialism. OR maybe they just don't know what to do with all the energy that they have so they become disruptive.
ONE thing is certain they do not have the right to VIOLATE the rights of others.Occupyng a park by the very name tells evertyone that the OWS has the park and there is no room for anyone else.

hmmmm. my reply won't work....what the....

I had a rather lengthy reply to you 2sense but it wouldn't go, said something about words n-l not allowed. Now I lost the whole thing...

Larry...

In an effort to curb the spammers, certain word strings aren't allowed. You need to put a dash or an underline to make the word work, like in_fluence, for example.

Ron

I know how frustrating that can be. As Bull153 noticed, I had trouble with the word in-fluence in my post. I received the same message you received until I added the dashes each time the word appeared.

Bull and sense, thanks. wish I would have saved my response somewhere, oh well, no biggie.
That sure is a weird rule, wonder why it even exists.

Larry...

Briefly stated, spammers tend to use the same words in all their posts, and it is only one method that can be effective in keeping spammers in check. By blocking certain repetative word or letter strings, it keeps the spammers from posting. I've run into it a few times here, it is a small price to pay if it keeps the 100 pages of spam garbage out.

Banning spammers and other unwanted posters works well, except for those who insist on violating the ban and posting under a telephone book's worth of inane aliases... oh well.

Ron

So very true.

Actually Bull it's Not keeping the Spammers from posting, the program has not been able to keep the spammers out of the forum .
The difficulty in posting a comment or creating a blog is of little concern,unless that difficulty is bypassed over and over again by Spammers who have No Difficulty posting anything.
This is when the Program proves its doing nothing it should be doing but creating headaches for real members who blog or comment,
while on the other hand Spammers have free reign .
When the program does exactly what it should be doing,then our difficulty will no longer be a nuisance,and a small price to pay when Spammers can No Longer Post.
Until then I think I will be a little annoyed that I have to go back over certain comments again and again to be able to find the offending letters,while hundreds of Spams get posted with out any effort on their part.
Sincerely,rozemist

Thanks for the info guys...
I have to agree with gento. I am not all with the banning of posters unless they use profanity, make physical threats or like gento sez, make libelous insinuations as gento alludes to.
I don't mind being called stupid or dumb or whatever, that is just that persons personal opinion but to make insinuations about someone being a pedophile is just not right. that's just my opinion...

@ LarryBaca...

We agree on the concept if not the specifics. The Bulletin does not take banning people lightly. From what I've seen it is a last resort after numerous warnings and removals. I don't condone anyone making accusations of pedophilia on another, but by the same token, if the individual complied with his ban, he wouldn't be subjected to such improper conduct.

I know the Bulletin warns people before banning them. I received two warnings for what I considered minor infractions in the past. I'm sure Frank will be cautioned as well. Last week I was accused as well by mantecaPDisajoke in the comments section. Since there has been nothing further, I think he was warned.

The sad fact is gentoo, AKA thad56, AKA many other names, made his bed and must now sleep in it. As you've said, you can't have it both ways - complaining about unkind treatment - while engaging in unkind treatment of others.

Ron

Hoffman received a dose of his own medicine. It's called Karma.

Hoffman enjoy the Karma. Silly rabbit, You know that I am not Bull153. You always enjoy unjustly labeling others as bigots, racists, and misogynists. Looks like you received a nice little label for yourself.

Gentoo…where was your outcry and outrage when a similar comment was posted about Bull153 on another article. HE has stated that he does not condone this. I didn’t see you jumping to his defense and screaming injustice. So, I guess by your own reasoning, your silence signifies you condoned this type of post. That is what you have said of others in regard to YOUR situation.

Larry…I am sorry that I did not get to read your response to my post, as I am honestly trying to understand the OWS movement and find other’s views interesting…and sometimes enlightening.

@ Hoffman...

Since you are so inept... here it is.

http://www.mantecabulletin.com/sectio...

As for Randy, why don't you send him a message and ask where he's been. I might offer that he doesn't want to fight the spammers or deal with you...

Ron

I noticed the Spam Blogs quickly deleted this morning,I don't know if this is a permanent thing or something else,but it is refreshing to see them GONE!
Now lets see if people can comment on topics of interest,and create new blogs.
I look forward to see how it pans out.
Sincerely,rozemist

Ooops I guess I spoke too soon,while I was commenting above,a spam blog was just posted
I sometimes think one is always lurking in the background just to wait long enough to see if people are starting to show any renewed interest in the forum,then here they come.
Sincerely,rozemist

Gentoo....I’m going to TRY and make this my last post that acknowledges you exist, but after reading post after inane post that NEVER stays on topic, I get frustrated and find it hard not to comment. Even in your last post, you twist Bull153’s words…He did NOT say, “I don’t condone anyone making accusations”. He DID say, “I don't condone anyone making accusations of pedophilia on another,”. We can all read. As for the comments you quoted from the article you linked, it looks to me like a question and an opinion, but forum readers, if they choose to, can read the entire exchange for themselves.

I have watched several people TRY to ignore you, but you keep at them until they feel compelled to stand up for themselves. YOU and your vendetta against Bull153 singlehandedly ruins almost every discussion. Try ignoring the ones who bother you so much, do not use their names or mention them in your responses. You can still voice your opinions and give your views without the personal attacks. You’re not going to convince the whole forum to feel as you do, and even if you did…what then? We’re all entitled to voice our views here…until we give them reason to ban us. Even then, if we follow your example, we can keep coming back. Try ignoring…that’s what I intend to TRY to do.

Lastly, I find it extremely amusing that anyone who agrees with Bull153 or backs his views, you say IS Bull153. I can repeat that I am female, but you will believe what you want to believe. That’s quite a conspiracy theory you’ve dreamed up.

@ Hoffman...

Good grief... Just when it's apparent you have reached the depths of being absolutely ridiculous, you manage to make the hole even deeper.

You might actually get someone to buy into your insanity if you would at least quote me properly. You conveniently left of 'of pedophilia' from my comment. That makes a huge difference. I've never said I don't condone people making accusations, you've made plenty and so have I. The issue is proof... my accusations, when made, are factual, while yours are full of hot air and misinformation.

For example, you are well known for being thad56, biased, try_thinking, and many others. That's a fact. I am me, and only me. I've never been anyone else, despite all your lame accusations. That's also a fact.

I asked a question and offered an opinion on the article you referenced. Nowhere is there an accusation. If I had said "The police must have piddled in your flowerpot by doing a sweep at your abode, that's why you object to the police's efforts." you might have a case. Even if I accept my comment as a suggestion, it is still an opinion and not an accusation. I appreciate you posting the link, that way people can see for themselves how ridiculous you really are.

I didn't attack anyone here, I simply made a factual comment to LarryBaca. But even if I had, there are far more posts where you toss the first piece of garbage. One example is in the same article where I first comment about the police sweep and you chime in with this stupidity: "LOL, I think Bull believes if he brown-noses enough that maybe he'll get one of the badge stickers and they'll let him turn the siren on in a car! How sad!!!" No, how really childish. At least the readers can see my whole comment regarding your charge of my 'accusation'. Once again your own words do you in, as they always do.

Team Bull - how clever. I like it, too bad it's only a one man team.

Ron

@ Hoffman...

Congratulations on being the head cheerleader leader of the campaign of absolute and total stupidity. You are really one of a kind in spite of your numerous aliases...

My posts are not nonsense and I sleep fine. To your infantile mind I guess 10 PM PST is late, about three hours past YOUR bedtime. Everyone here knows these time stamps are based on Eastern time...

To use your own words, I didn't personally attack you, I only posted FACTS. Kindly show where my first post "Banning spammers and other unwanted posters works well, except for those who insist on violating the ban and posting under a telephone book's worth of inane aliases... oh well." or even the second "The sad fact is gentoo, AKA thad56, AKA many other names, made his bed and must now sleep in it. As you've said, you can't have it both ways - complaining about unkind treatment - while engaging in unkind treatment of others." is not factually correct. Do you deny registering and posting under thad56, try_thinking, biased, etc?

What I posted to Postone is far from a libelous assault. Read it again then read what constitutes libel.

You have yet to offer one shred of evidence I am a liar. I only have a terrible time with your false accusations and insults. Every time I pin you in a corner with your own lies and demand proof, you ignore it and rant on about what a terrible person / hypocrite / bigot / liar I am. If only one percent of what you accuse me of were true, the other regulars would be supporting your claims. So far all you are is a one man band playing rotten tunes.

You make such asinine accusations about my education and police career, but like everything else, you offer no proof, only your lies. There is no way you could know what you claim about me. So again I say, offer some proof or shut your face. We are all anxiously awaiting YOUR proof that I tell 'outright lies'.

I would opine that LarryBaca, along with the rest of us, is probably more tired of your antics, falsehoods, and silliness than anything else. I'm pretty sure he's seen enough of your rampant stupidity, Hoffman...

TeamBull

It appears that the Bulletin staff IT has identified gentoo as 'the banned one' and removed him along with his posts. I'd expect to see a reincarnation of thad56 or biased in the near term. Until then it will be refreshing to return to some reasonable normalcy...

TeamBull

I'm on board with TeamBull too! You get rid of one person, this place becomes normal. And I don't have to name who that person is.

TeamBull

I don't understand all the complaining about someones comments then turn around and do worse.
These are supposed to be one's comments, if they don't threaten you with bodily harm, curse or....well that's about it...then what is the big deal?